Most controversial thread ever (enter at your own risk)


(Silvanito) #201

Yeah, you’re a real couch potato :wink:


(sartana1) #202

“And that he shouldn’t be labeled a right-wing conservative, because that is not correct” “This made people hysterical because that’s how they’ve been conditioned to react by the mainstream media”<

Regardless of his political affiliation, he was still a maniacal mass murderer. That cant be debated.


(Andy) #203

I agree with scherp. I think discussion should at least be in relation to movies. I had engaged in political discussion before in this thread but looking back I wish I hadn’t. I was quite glad when this thread was fading away, now it’s started all over again. Just let it end. Tepepa, I don’t think you’re going to find a lot of neo-nazies on this board to argue endlessly with so why bother going on and on about it.


(Stanton) #204

Only that I can’t remember that anyone got hysterical. But several people had for obvious reasons a different view of this matter.

As long as it is only a discussion and is not used as a platform for Neo-Nazi propaganda I have no problem with this thread. But Phil’s “Let’s not” is also fine.


(Tepepa) #205

I find your comment disheartening and confusing, ??? I gave a few posts which do not constitute going on about ‘‘it’’ endlessly*, whatever ‘‘it’’ may be, and I certainly do not want Neo-Nazis on this board, arguing with them is not my idea of fun, my idea of fun is watching films and playing forum game, but I oblige them if a thread comes up that concerns politics, especially my own, as is my right. :wink:

*I am only semi-regular anyway.


(Andy) #206

[quote=“Tepepa, post:205, topic:2465”]I find your comment disheartening and confusing, ??? I gave a few posts which do not constitute going on about ‘‘it’’ endlessly*, whatever ‘‘it’’ may be, and I certainly do not want Neo-Nazis on this board, arguing with them is not my idea of fun, my idea of fun is watching films and playing forum game, but I oblige them if a thread comes up that concerns politics, especially my own, as is my right. :wink:

*I am only semi-regular anyway.[/quote]

I’m sorry you found my post “disheartening and confusing”. By “it” I mostly meant the whole political thing that has nothing to do with spaghetti westerns or movies (in this thread at least). Do you really think we need a discussion about the many varieties of marxism? Not everyone is an extreme leftist and I would hope you would at least tolerate those who are not (except the extreme right obviously…which you could start your own thread on and duke it out with Lindberg until you’re blue in the face). I’ll tell you what I find disheartening: Your use of the word “cracker” in a post I saw once.

Edit: I figured some of you would want me to back up my statement about what Tepepa said, so here it is:

http://www.spaghetti-western.net/forum/index.php/topic,3132.msg120741.html#msg120741

I realize he’s talking about Major Jackson and his gang (who were racist bastards) but I think if the bad guys had been evil mexicans (like in A Fistful of Dollars) and someone called them “beaners” or something people would be upset too. I just don’t like the racism in it. I don’t think racism should be fought with racism.


(TheBigSmokedown) #207

That’s just a fact.

Nazism is a form of facism and Hitler was a leader of the Nazi Party. Facists are far right and oppose liberalism, so it’s right to label Hitler and Nazism as both right-wing and conservative.

[quote=“Lindberg, post:200, topic:2465”]This made people hysterical because that’s how they’ve been conditioned to react by the mainstream media

It was worse than I thought on this board though[/quote]

I’m not hysterical, but even your simple, supposedly matter-of-fact statement about Hitler is wrong. Hitler was first and foremost a Nazi, and if you divorce Nazism from the far right then it ceases to have any substance.

This much is clear, but what is less clear is your motivation for trying to twist the concepts involved. Is this leading to an attempted justification (or partial justification) for Hitler and his actions? If so, for what purpose?


(Bill san Antonio) #208

Blaah, as much as i hate to say this but: remember the basic rules of the forums: Don’t feed the troll. There, I said it again.


(Andy) #209

That’s sound advice, Bill. I shouldn’t have even looked in this thread to begin with. Bad news.


(TheBigSmokedown) #210

This thread has 14 pages compared to the 422 pages which make up the “The last Western you watched?” thread. I’m not going to lose too much sleep about this board being dragged off topic.


(Tepepa) #211

And I am not allowed to post MY view when many member have? That is how it is coming across. How was I trying to have a discussion on the many varieties of Marxism? You have completely misread my quotes (and the fact I was talking about socialism as a whole, not just Marxism) which were meant as clarification, a sincere reply to an equally sincere comment.

And how I not tolerating non-’‘extreme’’ leftist, and I am not what I would call extreme, I am only a Democratic Socialist. Am I not allowed to criticize your beloved Capitalism? I said nothing worse about Capitalists than many here have said about Communism. Or is my personal opinion as a Democratic Socialist less valued than that of Capitalists. Sorry, being in a free society (whether I agree with its economic stance or not), I find that unacceptable. I am not a criminal nor a murder, I do not support violence or racism, I have a right to discuss politics from my standpoint if I so wish.

And I find it a tad disgraceful that you are bringing a humorous (whether you found humour in it or not) post up in a debate when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. It seems you are itching for a fight and I have obviously rubbed you the wrong, either because you are sensitive about the ‘‘C’’ word or because you do not like my politics. Well that is tough, deal with it. I will not fight you, I do not want to stoop to that level on a forum I joined so I can talk about my favourite subject (spaghetti westerns) and in the hope I could find a non-clique-filled forum to stay on.

[quote=“Ghost of Sartana, post:206, topic:2465”]Edit: I figured some of you would want me to back up my statement about what Tepepa said, so here it is:

http://www.spaghetti-western.net/forum/index.php/topic,3132.msg120741.html#msg120741[/quote]

And I really resent you trying to turn people against me based on a post, when I am not attacking you or insinuating anything about your character. Sorry, Ghost of Sartana, but I don’t want to be your forum scapegoat or villain in stocks that you goad people into throwing rotten vegetables at. I made replies to a thread and said things you obviously do not agree with them, kindly reply to them as an adult or stop trying to insult me. Infact, please kindly do not reply to me…make an imaginary ‘‘ignore’’ button, as I am thinking of doing.

I realize he's talking about Major Jackson and his gang (who were racist bastards) but I think if the bad guys had been evil mexicans (like in A Fistful of Dollars) and someone called them "beaners" or something people would be upset too. I just don't like the racism in it. I don't think racism should be fought with racism.

‘‘Cracker’’ means ‘‘white man who oppresses blacks with a whip’’, the ‘‘crack’’ refers to the crack of the whip. It is only racist if you do not know what the true meaning is and misuse it as a term for all white people. Even so, you do not know what skin colour (there are no races), I am so saying that my comment was ‘‘racist’’ is quite amusing. I oppose racism more than any other of mans evil, I have to suffer racism often due to a personal relationship I am in, but I am not ‘‘liberal’’ enough to not call a spade a spade, or a racist white man a cracker.

I am not sure on the meaning of ‘‘beaner’’, but I think it is to do with diet or skin colour and calling someone that is unacceptable, unlike calling a racist a ‘‘cracker’’ (a term that correctly applies ONLY to white racists).


(TheBigSmokedown) #212

Er, “cracker” is a racial slur, irrespective of its etymology. The word “nigger” stems from negro, which just means black. However, to argue that “nigger” is not a racist slur on that basis would be just as fallacious as trying to argue that “cracker” isn’t a racist slur because it refers to oppressive whites. We all ought to understand that these words are offensive to people because of the connotations they carry.


(Andy) #213

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cracker_%28pejorative%29

Oh, I forgot, it’s “ok” to be racist about white people. Way to go mr. anti-racist. There is a difference between being anti-racist and just “reverse racist”.

About your little rant about your “democratic socialism”, you are right, you are entitled to share your opinion…but is this really the right place? I am not a hardline capitalist myself, I am more of a moderate. Here in Canada we have socialism to some degree which I think is good but it is not like Cuba (people not being allowed to use the internet except at “public access points” with a guard watching over you, real free society there). But go ahead and keep ranting at people, afterall like you said yourself you are a “post whore” so who am I to argue.


(Tepepa) #214

Yes, negro means black and is a reference to the colour of Africans’ skin tones. Using it as an insult is implying that having dark skin makes you inferior and worthy of contempt. Cracker is a reference to someone being a racist, it is not the same thing. If you use it for non-racist who are white, black or yellow, then cracker certainly is offensive, but you cannot argue that is the same as calling a black person a nigger, when applying it to racists.

But anyway, I do not have to defend a humorous post I made in ANOTHER THREAD, used in reference to odious fictional characters who hate others due to the colour of their skin.


(Tepepa) #215

[quote=“Ghost of Sartana, post:213, topic:2465”]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cracker_%28pejorative%29

Oh, I forgot, it’s “ok” to be racist about white people. Way to go mr. anti-racist. There is a difference between being anti-racist and just “reverse racist”.[/quote]

And it is OK to pick on people that you have never met and accuse them of things that run contrary to their character. Yeah nice work. I am glad we have a nice and friendly moral guardian here. And you didn’t read my post, if you did, you would understand that I am not saying it is OK to be racist to white people. Cracker does not mean white, I said it (in the correct context, though it might be more offensive in Canada…it is not even used in my area) humorously about white racists. Sorry if I offended your ‘‘moderate’’ sensibilities. And as anti-racism does not mean I have to be stuck up and liberal towards racist characters, sorry.

About your little rant about your "democratic socialism", you are right, you are entitled to share your opinion...but is this really the right place?

Thank you for yet another childish insult. This is a political thread, I replied. This IS the right place for a political reply, or is this a thread about spaghetti westerns now?

I am not a hardline capitalist myself, I am more of a moderate.

Good for you! However, your politics are not the issue. The issue is that you seem to have an issue with me mention my own politics in a thread where people were criticism them.

Here in Canada we have socialism to some degree which I think is good but it is not like Cuba (people not being allowed to use the internet except at "public access points" with a guard watching over you, real free society there). But go ahead and keep ranting at people, afterall like you said yourself you are a "post whore" so who am I to argue.

Again, you are trying to use something said humorously (to lighten the mood a bit, because I didn’t want to cause offense for having a political ideology that is disliked, somewhat ironically, by most spaghetti western fans here) against me, which is making you seem, to me, very whiny.

I apologize that I have an opinion different to yours. I am quite happy to let you have your beliefs or politics, and to make any reply about them you wish, can you kindly let me have my own, and make post about them, without you receiving criticism for me having them? This is a political thread and I replied regarding politics, regardless of your insults, I am not in the wrong for exercising my right to post here.

You have the manners of a typical schoolyard bully!


(TheBigSmokedown) #216

No. When words like “nigger” or “cracker” are used in a derogatory fashion, it’s not limited in the way you suggest. The word “cracker” is much more broadly offensive than you claim it is, simply because of the particular implications it carries regarding white people.

For argument’s sake, let’s say I accept that the word “cracker” is derived from slave owners cracking the whip. Don’t you understand that just as black people do not wish their race to be reduced to a history of slavery, white people generally do not wish to have their race reduced to a history of slave ownership?

I don’t really care about that. I was just correcting you on a point.


(Tepepa) #217

OK, because I am quite wimpish for a revolutionary, I will apologize for any heated words in my post. You have my apology, Ghost of Sartana, and I am grateful that you took the time to write me a message too.


(Andy) #218

I too apologize and I’m glad we’ve come to a mutual understanding in the personal messages, Tepepa :slight_smile:


(Tepepa) #219

I’d drink to that! Tequila all 'round! 8)


(sartana1) #220

I actually find it fascinating that someone defending Hitler got you guys arguing amongst yourselves about a completely different subject! This thread is bad news! Just stay away from it! LOL