Most controversial thread ever (enter at your own risk)


(Hoover Valentine) #181

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! ;D ;D

Glad to see the name change. Makes me feel better.


(natos99) #182

[quote=“Yodlaf Peterson, post:179, topic:2465”]I’ve just downloaded the Koran.

…do you want me to burn you a copy?[/quote]

Haha nice, Im gona steal this joke :slight_smile:


(Silvanito) #183

Hello everybody

Let’s continue this interesting thread since it’s such an important topic


(Silvanito) #184

[quote=“Stanton, post:144, topic:2465”]I don’t know if that is true.
But even if so, it doesn’t change the fact that most Nazis had a right wing thinking and went after WW2 straight into right wing and conservative German parties.[/quote]

Like I said they were nationalists not marxist socialists

And the NSDAP really was beyond the traditional right wing/ left wing political spectra

You have to understand that the ‘Nazi party’ was comprised of people from all areas of society

Many of the ‘nazis’ were just soldiers, veterans of the first world war, like Hitler himself

So the stereotypical image of ‘nazis’ being exclusively sort of upper class is completely false

Furthermore the Third Reich was an advanced wellfare state that provided benefits for it’s citizens unmatched by any contemporary state

A state that wanted it’s citizens to be united by race rather than divided by class


(Silvanito) #185

I know why, it’s because the early communist or marxist movement was primarly a jewish movement

A movement whose aim it was to grab the power from the old elites of the European societies to suit their own ends, not as a system to improve the conditions of the working class

And it’s still present today, it has just taken the form of so-called cultural marxism, otherwise known as political correctness!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8630135369495797236#


(Silvanito) #186

Here is another interesting clip, narrated by the late Dr William Pierce of the National Alliance

http://vimeo.com/12113202


(TheBigSmokedown) #187

So, can someone tell me what is the point of this thread? I see people posting some dubious facts, but is anyone actually taking a specific stance which I should be surprised by? Lindberg? I did skim read over the whole thing, but it all seemed a bit confused. What’s the controversial bit?


(Phil H) #188

[quote=“Lindberg, post:183, topic:2465”]Hello everybody

Let’s continue this interesting thread since it’s such an important topic[/quote]

No, let’s not.


(Tepepa) #189

I debate and argue with neo-Nazis everyday, and they are massive morons. Most are highly illiterate (and I freely admit to making typing errors!), morally deplorable and incapable of understanding true science, history or anything.

Anyone who disagrees with them is a communist (almost accurate for me), a ‘‘fag’’, a Jew-lover etc. In truth they really have nothing to say and are peddling an ideology that lost a whole war…in short they are the biggest losers around and pretty much hated internationally by the masses.


(Tepepa) #190

I can sort of see what you mean. It does make me question staying here. I argue with Neo-Nazis always, it is almost a job of mine, and I am sad to see Nazism here. I hope Lindberg is just being misunderstood as I A) Love Sweden and want more Swedes here, B) Love his avatar and C) Don’t mind his opinions on spaghetti westerns.

It is mob-rule to dislike Nazism?

Lindberg has proven himself to be a valuable member of this discussion board.

Agreed, and I hope he is just not being clear, but if he is a Nazi…well…I think we should say goodbye.

The Communist body-count is much higher than Hitler's. Do we ban that? Oh, no-- goodbye Corbucci, Damiani, Lizzani and Sollima!!

Genocide is not a part of Communist doctrine, though people like Stalin were genocidal. Racism is arguable the most important part of the Nazi doctrine and drastic measures (like genocide0 fully confirm to it.

Also there are many, many types of communists. Why should we ban Trotskyists (the most common form of communism outside of Soviet Russia!), traditional Marxists and even Leninists for the actions of Stalinists?


(Tepepa) #191

[quote=“Silence”]And goodbye me ;(.

No, seriously, I’m not a Commie, only Marxist, but not Commie.[/quote]

Good for you! Marxism is, in my view, the only truly good economic system. Why should people sitting around all day get a lot of money in shares when the workers, breaking their backs, get pittance?!

Marxism is a form of communism (in the traditional sense, which is a form of socialism), and modern Communism (which spawned Leninism, Castroism etc.) is an offshoot of Marxism, but so is Democratic Socialism.

I would disagree, in a way. Marxism is a way to look at economics, not capitalism, unless you mean it is a way to look at capitalism critically. Marx and Marxists are against capitalism, a system which, in my view, has been shown not to work, hence the mass unemployed and the fact that you can be a worker all your life and still be poor.


(Tepepa) #192

I have no problem with the thread continuing, only because I am a post whore who wants to reply to earlier posts though. ;D Also, I am not against censorship. I am sad that Nazism has crept in like a parasite to a spaghetti western board, but I think politics do have a place on forums.

It is like the banning of Swastikas in Germany. Swastikas have every place in society, as heathens, Buddhists, Hindus, Jains, Hopis etc. would tell you. The Swastika, or sunwheel, Woden’s Wheel, etc. has been a symbol of peace and knowledge in virtual all cultures from Germanic to Hopi Native. The use of it by Nazis was merely a debasement. Ban the Swastika and you might as well ban the Cross, which has often been used as a symbol of intolerance and hatred, even by mainstream Christians.

I completely agree. I am all for free speech and am against government censorship as a whole, but should free speech include telling lies? Shouldn’t free speech be about opinions and facts? Saying that the holocaust didn’t happen is not an opinion but a disgusting, ugly lie.

Neo-Nazis are a minority, but quite a sizable one. Every time someone questions the Holocaust (which they usually dub the Holohoax), or defend Hitler, they are adding fuel to the Neo-Nazi fire.

Actually, like the great Ho Chi Minh (the greatest of all the Marxist leaders, and the least faulted; violence did happen but not like the great purges of Stalin), Castro is supported by the majority of his people. If he was not supported, he would have left office a while ago and kept his influence (as old, romanticized leaders do). Americans try to portray him as very unpopular, but as most Cubans will tell you, they still respect him and consider him a hero of the revolution against Batista, a US puppet more vile than Castro could ever be…in my own opinion. ;D

Actually, most of us ‘‘Reds’’ have experienced Capitalism first hand. Many of us were certainly not raised as ‘‘Reds’’. It is quite clear that capitalism doesn’t work. People are quick to attack socialism due to mass killings and other faults of individual groups, however, I see you never mention that many, many genocides and cruelty has occurred for centuries under capitalism and imperialism, or was it the ‘‘Reds’’ who committed genocide against tribal groups for economic gain? Was it the ‘‘Reds’’ who created the work houses and debtors prisons in the past?

Answer me this question, why should rich share holders gain vast amounts of money due to shares when the workers who actually work for the money get low wages?


(Yodlaf Peterson) #193

[quote=“Phil H, post:188, topic:2465”]No, let’s not.[/quote]Good idea Phil


(scherpschutter) #194

@ Tepepa | This is primarily a board about spaghetti westerns, or westerns (or movies) in general. If we talk about politics or religion, we’d better do this in relation to movies. Some of the spaghettis (and other movies) were made within a specific political context, and I never fail to talk about this context in my reviews. But this is not a board for political or religious discussions as such. There are other boards for that and if you’re a regular visitor of them, you’ll know the atmosphere is heated overthere. That’s not what we want here.

Everybody should get the idea he’s welcome on this board, Left, right, Swede, American, Jew, Muslim or Christian. Some members have suffered personally or have relatives who suffered under a nazi-regime, others (I know of one member who can become very emotional about this) have suffered under a communist regime.

So please, no political war zone here. This is simply not the place.


(Yodlaf Peterson) #195

[quote=“scherpschutter, post:194, topic:2465”]Everybody should get the idea he’s welcome on this board, Left, right, Swede, American, Jew, Muslim or Christian.[/quote]…but we draw the line at scientologists ;D


(John Welles) #196

[quote=“Lindberg, post:183, topic:2465”]Hello everybody

Let’s continue this interesting thread since it’s such an important topic[/quote]
I agree with everyone else - let’s not continue the thread. We have a very laidback atmosphere here which would be spoiled if we degenerated into endless arguments about politics and religion.


(Tepepa) #197

No, I see your point, but politics are usually discussed in off-topic areas, just as other off-topic subjects. Maybe I am just a veteran of politically charged forums lik superiorpics, but I do see politics as a legitimate subject for off-topic debates, just as it is debated in real life.

Some of the spaghettis (and other movies) were made within a specific political context, and I never fail to talk about this context in my reviews. But this is not a board for political or religious discussions [i]as such[/i]. There are other boards for that and if you're a regular visitor of them, you'll know the atmosphere is heated overthere. That's not what we want here.

I have seen forums destroyed due to religion, so I can see your point, but I do not see it becoming too heated here. I disagree some of your opinions, but respect your posts and especially reviews all the same, same with everyone here. I am not going away wishing you all death or anything! ;D I am sure most people feel the same way.

Everybody should get the idea he's welcome on this board, Left, right, Swede, American, Jew, Muslim or Christian. Some members have suffered personally or have relatives who suffered under a nazi-regime, others (I know of one member who can become very emotional about this) have suffered under a communist regime.

And my heart goes out to them, but people can find harm in many things. Some people have suffered under capitalist regimes, yet we still talk about economics and buying and trading in a capitalist context. I have suffered due to the action of Neo-Nazis, so I can understand and it is a good case for closing this thread, but where do we draw the line? Do we outlaw all mention of communism, fascism and capitalism or not?

So please, no political war zone here. This is simply [i]not[/i] the place.

Again, I do not want to see a war zone. I have been part of a losing side against a clique online, but I think this forum is mature enough to handle some discussion.

But if most people want to close it, then it should be closed. The majority should always be respected.


(ENNIOO) #198

I just have no interest in politics or religion in everyday life as would rather view a Spaghetti western :slight_smile: .


(Hoover Valentine) #199

Once again, this pretty much sums up my view on Hitler and Nazis.


(Silvanito) #200

The most controversial thing ever on this board was my statement that Hitler isn’t solely to blame for the outbreak of WW2

And that he shouldn’t be labeled a right-wing conservative, because that is not correct

This made people hysterical because that’s how they’ve been conditioned to react by the mainstream media

It was worse than I thought on this board though