I notice the Top 20 page hasn’t been updated as per this latest version yet.
Would you like me to do it?
[quote=“Dillinger, post:911, topic:190”]I think some of the list are a bit strange…
My question is:
Why do people tend to leave the Leones out of the list?
Everyone says “Yes, they’re great”, so why don’t you put it on the list?
OK, it’s nice to see some “others” on lists, but nevertheless: When the Leones are the best ones for you, then put it on the top of your lists, and not somewhere above or something like that.[/quote]
I had one in my Top 20 only. I do love the Dollars trilogy but when it comes down to what i like watching the most, for pure enjoyment, they don’t figure that much. I only watch them rarely to be honest.
- (1) C’era una Volta il West/Once upon a Time in the West
- (2) Il Buono, il Brutto, il Cattivo/The good, the Bad and the Ugly
- (3) Il Grande Silenzio/The Great Silence
- (4) La Resa dei Conti/ The Big Gundown
- (5) Il Mercenario/The Mercenary
- (6) Faccia a Faccia/Face to Face
- [8] Per Qualche dollaro in più/For a Few Dollars More
- (9) Bandidos
- (11) Per un Pugno di Dollari/A Fistful of Dollars
- (10) Da Uomo a Uomo/Death rides a Horse
- (12) Vamos a Matar Compañeros/Compañeros
- (7) Une Corde… un Colt/Cemetery without Crosses
- (-) Tepepa
- (-) Quién sabe?/A Bullet for the General
- (13) Django
- (14) I Giorni dell’Ira/Day of Anger
- (15) El Precio de un Hombre/The Bounty Killer
- (-) Il Ritorno di Ringo/Return of Ringo
- (-) Il Pistolero dell’Ave Maria/The Forgotten Pistolero
- (16) E Dio disse a Caino…/And God spoke to Cain
- (17) Gli Specialisti/The Specialists
- (19) I Vigliacchi non pregano/Cowards don’t pray
- (20) Un Dollaro tra I denti/A Stranger in Town
- (-) Dio non paga il Sabato/Kill the Wickeds
- (-) Quanto costa Morire/The Cost of Dying
- (18) I Lunghi Giorni della Vendetta/Long days of Vengeance
- (-) Per 100.000 t’ammazzo/Vengeance is mine
- (-) Black Jack
- (-) Ballata per un Pistolero/Pistoleros
- (-) Dio perdona… Ion o!/God forgives, I don’t
- (-) Oggi a mé, domani a té!/Today it’s me, tomorrow it’s you
- (-) Sledge/A man called Sledge
- (-) Se incontri Sartana prega per la tua Morte/If you meet Sartana pray for your Death
- (-) Continuavano a chiamarlo Trinità/Trinity is still my name
- (-) Lo chiamavano Trinità/They call me Trinity
- (-) Django Kill!/Se sei vivo… spara!
- (-) Una Pistola per Ringo/A Pistol for Ringo
- (-) Johnny Yuma
- (-) Sentenza di Morte/Death sentence
- (-) Keoma
- Is reserved for that one indispensable/essential film I forgot
The list may change even tonight: I’ve just received two films from a great friend here on the forum: All’ombra di una Colt/In a Colt’s shadow and L’uno dopo l’atro/One after another - both are films that have been on my wish list for quite some time, but those SPO discs were a bit too expensive
The genre is also much richer than I thought it was only recently (well, a few years ago, before I started to write about it): I thought it counted a few masterpieces, two or three, some twenty to thirty decent films, and a lot of mediocrity, worth a look only for addicts. But I’m still making some discoveries, some films I liked (La notte dei Serpenti, Matalo!, Vengeance, The Moment to kill or The Hills run Red, the Corbucci’s & Sartanas not mentioned etc.) aren’t even among the first forty! See you again some day for my Top 100
[quote=“Phil H, post:921, topic:190”]@Stanton
I notice the Top 20 page hasn’t been updated as per this latest version yet.
Would you like me to do it?[/quote]
Only if you have too much time, otherwise I’ll do it tomorrow.
The ideal case would be to make it immediately, but mostly there is a small gap of time between my posting in the thread and the data base update. Didn’t find the time today.
That would be awesome to do the 2nd list… maybe an addition to this idea, would be to make a top 20 obscure titles list, where everyone lists their top 20 obscure spaghettis- with no obligation to include the titles that everyone has seen and discussed to death
I did make a statement about the Leones being a given, and failed to include all Leones in my top 20. The initial statement was made when I didn’t fully understand the concept of the Top 20 list we’re putting together here… I first thought we were making a list of 20 of the best made spaghettis as “films”- kind of as a reference point for people new to the genre… Once I devled into the topic & was told it was more of a personal top list, with whatever you enjoy watching the most, my statement about the Leones didn’t really apply any more…
Also as a side, I think the reason people feel compelled to leave the Leone’s off the list is because its just not very interesting to make a list of films that have already been listed by so many other people… kind of feels like just going through the motions. I run into that problem with even the non-Leone titles
Granted its a top 20, so if something is considered by you to be in your top 20, you should include it regardless… but is there really any point in adding your votes if they don’t change anything?
For me, I’m not very interested in reading a top 20 list of film titles that I could probably name before even looking at the list… We’re all aware they’re top 20 already
[quote=“Stanton, post:919, topic:190”]But we (I?) never wanted to replace the current top 20.
These are some of the reasons why I would prefer only lists from people with 200 or more films. These 200 guys are also always seeking for better versions.
But a top 40 from someone who has seen only 60 SWs is not very interesting. Not to mention those who have only seen 30. 
Even 100 is not impressive as there are too many good films which are still missing. And it’s exactly these “missing Spags” we (I?) want to compare.
Well, still my thoughts.[/quote]
We talked about doing a new list from scratch, and that we could maybe expand it to include more than 20 films
And you could also say a top 20 from someone who has only seen 20 SWs is also not so interesting 
There are always different arguments, but a fact is that since the top 20 were first set up a whole bunch of films have been given great quality releases that were not available before
Also a new list would probably make more people participate
So doing a top 30 today, from scratch, would not be unreasonable I think
A Top 40 from everyone like Sherp did could be the solution. IMO a Top 20 excluding the Leone’s (or the Corbucci’s or the Sollima’s …) doesn’t make any sense. Only if you really don’t have it among your Top 20. Maybe I’m wrong but the Top 20 list shouldn’t be a competion who has the most rare or obscure titles in his list.
BTW a random visitor of the SWDB could it find very strange if our Offical Top 20 is without the Leone’s. 
No you’re right. I’m just more curious as to what people’s top spaghettis are that do not include the commonly top spaghettis… this doesn’t necessarily mean they’re rare titles…
I suppose when it comes to making an official list, the correct way to go about it is to include all films in the order you put them, regardless of any factors- but when it comes to interesting discussion and reading, I don’t get much out of seeing 90% of the same titles every time… once you reach the point which this list is at, its just redundant…
At least we have for the first time since I’m doing the calculating a new film in the top 20.
Of course the first 20 are predictable, but they are nevertheless the first 20, and they are there for good reasons. The runners up are what’s really interesting, and these are not that predictable. And there have been big changes between 20 and 100.
A few films between 20 and 50 are still surprising for me, as they are for me so ordinary that I hardly can imagine how people could choose them. But they are choosen, and there are obviously reasons to choose them.
The counting does only make sense, if everybody does the voting the same way. Means no excluding for whatever reasons.
Yes, this is great and I thank you for including not only the 20 on the list but all the titles… makes it very cool to see where the others are sitting.
I guess that my problem with it, is that they only earn points if they are included in someone’s top 20… so its not really an accurate reflection of where they sit as say, number 30 on the list
Still, I appreciate the effort in putting it all together and I’m not trying to argue that the list methods should be change… just offering a bit of insight as to why one might feel like excluding certain titles. Of course, if we had an expansive system of earning points past number 20, or a 2nd list, this would eliminate this effect
I welcome the idea of doing an official top 40 from scratch. but we can’t exclude the leone’s. i mean… they’re among the best, boo hoo bad luck for all the others.
I am in agreement with that. If you don’t like Leone that’s one thing - if you love one or all his movies put them in your list.
[quote=“Lindberg, post:927, topic:190”]We talked about doing a new list from scratch, and that we could maybe expand it to include more than 20 films
And you could also say a top 20 from someone who has only seen 20 SWs is also not so interesting
There are always different arguments, but a fact is that since the top 20 were first set up a whole bunch of films have been given great quality releases that were not available before
Also a new list would probably make more people participate
So doing a top 30 today, from scratch, would not be unreasonable I think[/quote]
Yes 20 from 20 is not very interesting.
But as I had seen about 50 Spags I had already watched 18 from my Top 20, cause I had choosen of course the most promising films first.
250 Spags more and only 2 more have surfaced. Maybe 3 maybe a 4th from an uncut version. Maybe…
I would say if members have seen between 50 and 100 SWs, their lists are representive enough to create a representative forum’s top 20.
But the more films you ask for, the less people will contribute. So I think still 20 is a perfect number to get a forum’s top 20. From as many members as possible. Of course a Top 10 would …
I’m btw not sure if we will get 20 lists if we ask for a top 40.
But 40 or 50 is a good number to get an overview what people like else, apart from the usual suspects. If my top 20 hasn’t changed that much with 200 viewed SWs, my top 40 or 50 has changed considerably. And will further do, the more I can get, the more I rewatch, but from a certain point these top 50 won’t also change only slightly.
That’s why I say, if you want a representative Top 40, you have to know 200 and more. If only half (or less) of the voters have seen Black Jack we never know how this film compares to The Great Silence which 95% (or maybe all) have seen.
A top 20 for all.
A top 40 or 50 for the real trainspotters.
Still my concept.
[quote=“Stanton, post:918, topic:190”]No, Spaghetti Monkey has the dollar trilogy at the top and for me they are #1-3. Then he names 20 more films, which are for the voting #4 to 23. So for me and the last 3 of them don’t get points.
Which is also not correct as I ignored A Town Called Hell for not being a SW so that # 18 (=#21) still got 1 point.
Got it? It ain’t easy.
You know, the calculating is a highly demanding and exhausting job, which can’t be done properly without at least a high school diploma in mathematics.[/quote]
That was my intent, i know i had a couple on there that were more Euro than Spaghetti so i figured you could score as you saw fit, but the Leone/Eastwoods were 1-3.
I like the concept of a larger list only from people who have seen 200 or more. It would be ridiculous for me to make a top 40 list when i have only seen @ 55.
I like this idea as well. Take out the ‘voted for top 20’ - the ones everybody knows - and have fun with what remains.
I’ve seen a fair few now and an ‘alternative’ top 20 from the ‘veterans’ could be a way to go.
Very few people have actually seen 200 plus. I think it would be better just to expand it to a top 30 list. That way, we include more films but at the same time it isn’t too drastic of an adjustment while improving on how the list actually reflects the tastes of the forum members.
Maybe 200 is a little high, but the bottom line is that a list from those who have seen that many SW’s would be very helpful to someone like me who has not.
How about a completely separate poll called something like the ‘Alternative Top 20’.
The idea would be a new list from anyone who wants to submit one showing their top 20 films not already appearing on our official Top 20.
On the BBC here we have a film critic called Mark Kermode who awards his own statuettes every year to films and artists who were overlooked in that year’s Oscars. Fundamentally his criteria is ‘if it’s been nominated for an Oscar, it can’t win a Kermode’. So our ‘Alternative Top 20’ could work on the same principle. Everyone who wants to can submit a list of their 20 favourite spaghettis which do not already appear in the official Top 20.
We would still have the issue of some people who have only seen say 50 films struggling to list a second 20 which will, by their nature, be less well known. But it doesn’t really matter. They can submit less than 20 if they want. The idea is just to get a list of 20 films which people recommend from outside the obvious canon. We are unlikely to get any films not already mentioned to some degree in our extended Top 20 list. What would be interesting would be to see which films, once the big hitters are taken out of the equation, appear more regularly and reveal themselves to be more universally well thought of than our current list gives them credit for.
What do you guys think?