Cheers @stanton
So, finally I need to make an adjustment to the Alternative Top 20 to allow for Run Man Run being eligible and Sartana not.
Sartana is not so tough. I can just take it off the list but leave it in the spreadsheet I work from with all its votes intact. That way, if it changes again I can reinstate it easily enough without too much disadvantage.
Run man Run is not so simple. It has never been eligible for the Alternative T20 so has no votes at all and is never likely to make up for ten years of that in terms of votes. Any suggestions?
I still think just let it as it is. Especially as it is possible that it will change more often over the next years.
Keep Run Man Run, so the alternative list still has no Sollima in it, but all Parolinis. It is then not exactly the current top 20 which is not elligible, but your list still does its alternative job very well.
Wipe the entire slate clean? Ask everyone for Alternative Top 20 Lists NOW, just collect lists from as many current contributors as possible over the next, say, 12 weeks maybe? And then publish the new alt.20 based only on those lists. It might seem unfair to strip every eligible spag of its points haul just because of Run Man Run but if those spags in the alt.20 list already are really that good, they’ll float back to the top within a few lists anyway.
Wow this is a remarkable effort, and a true milestone on mankind’s constant struggle for imroving the world. The 200th list will certainly bring even more relief to a broken world…
Hmm, I could cheat and change the list in favor of the Sollima …
… oops I just found one long lost list from SartanaDjango’s dead grandma in the pocket of an old coat in the cellar … and it contains … surprise, surprise … 19 Spags with Peter Lee Lawrence and Run Man Run. What a nice coincidence …
At the end of the day, Stanton’s “Do nothing” idea… well, it does nothing. Run Man Run will always be in a decade’s worth of points arrears against its contemporaries and the alt.20 list will always be skewed as a result. Clearing the decks seems extreme but it’s fair, it’s accurate and it might liven the chart up which could prove enticing to newer contributors, seeing their contributions making an immediate impact.
Tbh, I think much the same about Stanton’s official Top 20. Everything’s cast in stone because of votes from almost 15 years ago. People change, attitudes to films change, tastes change, the contributors on these boards change, films receive new/better DVD releases, new/better blu-ray releases, new 4k UHD releases., all of which changes peoples’ perceptions of this film or that. Burn it all down, says I. Start again. It’s the reboot, people!
Not really. The idea was to get a stable top 20, and this won’t change much by a new voting. We also got meanwhile a stable top 50, and I’m sure this also won’t change much by a redoing.
But actually I kicked already some years ago several older lists out, lists from ex forum members, and after we reach the 200 lists mark I will continuously kick older lists out for every new one. Lists by people who haven’t posted in the forum for a long time.
Although I admire both your “all or nothing at all” sentiments I think I have to find some middle ground. Apart from anything else, Sartana and Run Man Run are so close in the Official Top 20 standings points wise that they could easily switch places again at any time with a single new list changing everything all over again.
I’m thinking, call on everyone to post a new Alt Top 20 list (especially if they now want to include Run Man Run) but change the rules slightly so that you can include anything outside the current Official Top 18. I will collect points for all those selected but only publish in the Alt Top 20 those films currently outside the Official Top 20. That way a marginal placed film can have points building up to use if it ever falls outside the Official Top 20.
No doubt this will confuse some, it already does anyway, but hopefully it will make the list future proof.
But I won’t throw out old lists just yet. We only have 60 lists submitted after all.
If enough people step up and update their list or submit for the first time I’m hoping it should work out ok.
Il buono, il brutto, il cattivo (The Good, the Bad & the Ugly) (Sergio Leone, 1966)
Per qualche dollaro in più (For a Few Dollars More) (Sergio Leone, 1965)
La resa dei conti (The Big Gundown) (Sergio Sollima, 1966)
Requiescant (Kill and Pray) (Carlo Lizzani, 1967)
Il grande silenzio (The Great Silence) (Sergio Corbucci, 1968)
Se sei vivo spara (Django Kill… If You Live, Shoot!) (Giulio Questi, 1967)
I giorni dell’ira (Day of Anger) (Tonino Valerii, 1967)
Une corde, un colt (Cemetery Without Crosses) (Robert Hossein, 1969)
Réquiem para el gringo (Duel in the Eclipse) (José Luis Merino, 1968)
Da uomo a uomo (Death Rides a Horse) (Giulio Petroni, 1967)
Se incontri Sartana prega per la tua morte (If You Meet Sartana, Pray For Your Death) (Gianfranco Parolini, 1968)
Giù la testa (A Fistful of Dynamite) (Sergio Leone, 1971)
Keoma (Enzo G. Castellari, 1976)
Mannaja (A Man Called Blade) (Sergio Martino, 1977)
Il Mercenario (The Mercenary) (Sergio Corbucci, 1968)
La taglia è tua… l’uomo l’ammazzo io (El Puro) (Edoardo Mulargia, 1969)
Oggi a me… domani a te! (Today We Kill… Tomorrow We Die!) (Tonino Cervi, 1968)
Vamos a matar, compañeros (Companeros) (Sergio Corbucci, 1970)
Sentenza di morte (Death Sentence) (Mario Lanfranchi, 1968)
10.000 dollari per un massacro (10,000 Dollars For a Massacre) (Romolo Guerrieri, 1967)
There we go. Face to Face and A Fistful of Dollars crash out (one I’ve not seen enough over the years for it to maintain its position, the other I’ve seen a few too many times lately!), Death Sentence and A Fistful of Dynamite come crashing back in.
Sorely tempted to stick If You Meet Sartana Pray For Your Death in at no.1 just to get it back in the official top 20 and kick Run Man Run back out.
