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Both are Italian productions or co-productions so no question for me either.

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But I think there are some which were co-produced by Italians, which are doubtless no Spags for me. Especially not Chino (J. Sturges) or China 9 (M. Hellman), but I would have no problem to view 3 Bullets for a Long Gun as one, so much spagiesque is that one.

And Red Sun, the total Euro-Western, it’s in the list, but it is still not a real SW for me.

3049

Which of course we still disagree on. :wink:

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Of course … :wink:

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3051

After hard years of reshuffling and rearranging, handwringing and hairsplitting, invoking all the gods and goddesses of the Occident and Orient, pleading for illumination, I have finally managed to compile this list. As ever, San Procrastinato was of no help to me.

  1. Sergio Leone, C’era una volta il West, 1968

  2. Sergio Leone, Il buono, il brutto, il cattivo, 1966

  3. Sergio Leone, Giù la testa, 1971

  4. Sergio Leone, Per qualche dollaro in più, 1965

  5. Sergio Leone, Per un pugno di dollari, 1964

  6. Damiano Damiani, ¿Quién sabe?, 1966

  7. Sergio Corbucci, Il grande silenzio, 1968

  8. Sergio Corbucci, Django, 1966

  9. Giulio Petroni, Tepepa, 1969

  10. Sergio Corbucci, Il mercenario, 1968

  11. Giuseppe Colizzi, Dio perdona … io no!, 1967

  12. Sergio Corbucci, Navajo Joe, 1966

  13. Sergio Corbucci, I crudeli, 1967

  14. Sergio Corbucci, Che c’entriamo noi con la rivoluzione?, 1972

  15. Sergio Corbucci, Gli specialisti, 1969

  16. Sergio Corbucci, Vamos a matar, compañeros, 1970

  17. Carlo Lizzani, Requiescant, 1967

  18. Eugenio Martín, El precio de un hombre, 1966

  19. Sergio Sollima, La resa dei conti, 1967

  20. Giulio Questi, Se sei vivo spara, 1967

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Ok then, after some hesitation, the 15 years of voting update.
191 lists now, one worse than the other, but all guaranteed lordoftherings-free, and when we reach the 200, it will be one of the great achievements of mankind.

Feb 21 Jan 20 English Title Director Points
1 1 The Good, the Bad, the Ugly * Leone, Sergio * 3767
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2 2 Once Upon a Time in the West * Leone, Sergio * 3322
3 3 For a Few Dollars More * Leone, Sergio * 3164
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4 4 The Great Silence * Corbucci, Sergio * 2507
5 5 The Big Gundown * Sollima, Sergio * 2005
6 7 Django * Corbucci, Sergio * 1997
7 6 A Fistful of Dollars * Leone, Sergio * 1997
8 8 The Mercenary * Corbucci, Sergio * 1436
9 9 Companeros * Corbucci, Sergio * 1247
10 10 Death Rides a Horse / Man to Man * Petroni, Giulio * 1217
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11 11 Face to Face * Sollima, Sergio * 1165
12 12 Duck, You Sucker! * Leone, Sergio * 1130
13 13 A Bullet for the General * Damiani, Damiano * 1107
14 14 Day of Anger * Valerii, Tonino * 902
15 15 Keoma * Castellari, Enzo G. * 829
16 16 Cemetery Without Crosses * Hossein, Robert * 791
17 18 The Return of Ringo * Tessari, Duccio * 694
18 17 My Name is Nobody * Leone, Sergio/Valerii, T. * 678
19 19 Django Kill…If You Live, Shoot! * Questi, Giulio * 552
20 21 If You Meet Sartana Pray for Your Death * Parolini, Gianfranco * 405
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21 20 Run Man, Run * Sollima, Sergio * 404
22 22 Blindman * Baldi, Ferdinando * 366
23 24 10,000 Dollars Blood Money * Girolami, Romolo * 335
24 23 Sabata * Parolini, Gianfranco * 309
25 26 Tepepa * Petroni, Giulio * 306
26 27 Navajo Joe * Corbucci, Sergio * 292
27 25 And God Said to Cain * Margheriti, Antonio * 291
28 28 Mannaja / A Man Called Blade * Martino, Sergio * 283
29 29 A Pistol for Ringo * Tessari, Duccio * 279
30 32 God Forgives…I Don’t * Colizzi, Giuseppe * 212
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31 31 Massacre Time * Fulci, Lucio * 206
32 36 Bandidos * Dallamano, Massimo * 205
33 30 Light the Fuse…Sartana is Coming * Carnimeo, Giuliano * 205
34 33 California * Lupo, Michele * 196
35 34 Kill and Pray / Requiescant * Lizzani, Carlo * 188
36 37 El Puro * Mulargia, Edoardo * 187
37 35 Four of the Apocalypse * Fulci, Lucio * 175
38 40 The Grand Duel * Santi, Giancarlo * 167
39 38 Johnny Hamlet * Castellari, Enzo G. * 164
40 39 Vengeance * Margheriti, Antonio * 161
41 45 The Hellbenders * Corbucci, Sergio * 157
42 44 The Bounty Killer * Martin, Eugenio * 146
43 42 Matalo! * Canevari, Cesare * 141
44 46 Django the Bastard * Garrone, Sergio * 131
45 43 Ace High / 4 for an Ave Maria * Colizzi, Giuseppe * 130
46 50 The Specialists * Corbucci, Sergio * 129
47 41 The Forgotten Pistolero * Baldi, Ferdinando * 128
48 48 Arizona Colt * Lupo, Michele * 128
49 47 Shoot the Living and Pray for the Dead * Vari, Giuseppe * 121
50 53 Dead Men Ride * Florio, Aldo * 118
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51 54 I Want Him Dead * Bianchini, Paolo * 114
52 49 The Ruthless Four / Each One for His Own * Capitani, Giorgio * 113
53 51 Death Sentence * Lanfranchi, Mario * 107
54 52 Trinity is Still My Name * Barboni, Enzo * 107
55 56 A Stranger in Town * Vanzi, Luigi * 104
56 64 Johnny Yuma * Girolami, Romolo * 96
57 55 They Call Him Cemetery * Carnimeo, Giuliano * 95
58 57 For 100 000 Dollars per Killing * Fago, Giovanni * 90
59 59 Duel in the Eclipse / Requiem for a Gringo * Merino, José Luis * 89
60 58 Yankee * Brass, Tinto * 89
61 70 I am Sartana, Your Angel of Death * Carnimeo, Giuliano * 86
62 62 They Call Me Trinity * Barboni, Enzo * 83
62 60 Cut Throats Nine * Marchent, Joaquin Luis Rom. * 83
64 67 Django, Prepare a Coffin * Baldi, Ferdinando * 82
65 61 The Moment to Kill * Carnimeo, Giuliano * 80
66 66 Black Jack * Baldanello, Gianfranco * 78
67 63 A Bullet for Sandoval * Buchs, Julio * 78
68 65 Adios Sabata * Parolini, Gianfranco * 77
69 73 Texas Adios * Baldi, Ferdinando * 75
70 68 The Dirty Outlaws / El desperado * Rossetti, Franco * 74
71 72 The Price of Power * Valerii, Tonino * 74
72 76 A Minute to Pray, A Second to Die * Giraldi, Franco * 72
73 71 No Room to Die / A Long File of Crosses * Garrone, Sergio * 72
74 69 Have a Good Funeral, My Friend…Sartana Will Pay * Carnimeo, Giuliano * 71
75 74 Red Sun * Young, Terence * 60
76 78 Long Days of Vengeance * Vancini, Florestano * 59
77 75 Today it’s Me…Tomorrow You * Cervi, Tonino * 57
78 77 The Silent Stranger * Vanzi, Luigi * 56
79 85 The Stranger Returns * Vanzi, Luigi * 53
80 79 Cost of Dying / Taste of Death * Merolle, Sergio * 53
81 80 One Silver Dollar * Ferroni, Giorgio * 51
82 81 Taste of Violence * Hossein, Robert * 48
83 84 Garringo * Marchent, Rafael Romero * 46
84 82 One after Another * Nostro, Nick * 46
85 83 Sonny and Jed * Corbucci, Sergio * 45
86 86 Long Live Your Death * Tessari, Duccio * 44
87 87 A Hole in the Forehead * Vari, Guiseppe * 42
87 88 Fighting Fists of Shanghai Joe * Caiano, Mario * 42
89 92 Shoot, Gringo…Shoot! * Corbucci, Bruno * 40
90 89 Cowards Don’t Pray * Siciliano, Mario * 40
91 91 Blood at Sundown / 1 000 Dollars on the Black * Cardone, Alberto * 36
92 90 Five Man Army * Taylor, Don * 36
93 107 A Man Called Sledge * Morrow, Vic * 34
94 94 Night of the Serpent * Petroni, Giulio * 33
95 93 Ben and Charlie * Lupo, Michele * 32
96 95 The Last Killer * Vari, Giuseppe * 30
97 144 God Does Not Pay on Saturday / Kill the Wicked * Boccia, Tanio * 30
98 97 Boot Hill * Colizzi, Giuseppe * 29
98 96 Minnesota Clay * Corbucci, Sergio * 29
100 98 Revenge for Revenge * Colucci, Mario * 28
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101 99 I am Sartana, Trade Your Guns for a Coffin / A Fistful of Lead * Carnimeo, Giuliano * 27
102 102 The Hills Run Red / A River of Dollars * Lizzani, Carlo * 27
103 100 Silver Saddle * Fulci, Lucio * 27
104 101 They Call Me Hallelujah / Heads I Kill You, Tails You Die * Carnimeo, Giuliano * 26
105 103 Pistoleros * Caltabiano, Alfio * 25
106 106 Kill Them All and Come Back Alone * Castellari, Enzo G. * 24
107 105 Viva Cangaceiro * Fago, Giovanni * 24
107 119 Comin’ at Ya! * Baldi, Ferdinando * 24
109 128 A Man Called Apocalypse Joe * Savona, Leopoldo * 23
110 109 John the Bastard * Crispino, Armando * 22
111 108 A Genius, Two Partners and a Dupe / Nobody’s the Greatest * Damiani, Damiano * 22
112 125 W Django * Mulargia, Eduardo * 21
113 110 Hate for Hate * Paolella, Domenico * 21
114 112 A Barrel Full of Dollars * Fidani, Demofilo * 20
115 113 Dead Men Don’t Make Shadows * Fidani, Demofilo * 20
116 114 Beyond the Law * Stegani Giorgio C. * 20
117 115 Sartana Does Not Forgive * Balcazar, Alfonso * 19
117 116 Apache Woman * Mariuzzo, Giorgio * 19
117 129 Hate Is My God * Gora,Claudio * 19
120 121 The Unholy Four / Chuck Mool * Barboni, Enzo * 18
121 122 The Return of Sabata * Parolini, Gianfranco * 18
122 123 Bullets Don’t Argue * Caiano, Mario * 18
122 124 God Made Them… I Kill Them / God Forgives … His Life is Mine * Bianchini, Paolo * 18
124 120 The Fury of Johnny Kid * Puccini, Gianni * 17
125 146 Seven Dollars on the Red * Cardone, Alberto * 17
126 126 A Reason to Live, A Reason to Die * Valerii, Tonino * 17
127 127 Drummer of Vengeance * Gariazzo, Mario * 17
128 131 Life is Tough, Eh Providence? * Petroni, Giulio * 16
129 132 Seven Guns for the MacGregors * Giraldi, Franco * 16
129 133 Fort Yuma Gold * Ferroni, Giorgio * 16
129 134 Killer Caliber .32 * Brescia, Alfonso * 16
132 136 Man, Pride, Vengeance * Bazzoni, Luigi * 15
133 138 For the Taste of Killing * Valerii, Tonino * 14
134 142 Death Walks in Laredo * Pero, Enzi * 13
135 145 Trinity Sees Red / The Color of the Wind * Camus, Mario * 12
136 177 What am I Doing in the Middle of the Revolution? * Corbucci, Sergio * 12
137 191 Ringo and his Golden Pistol * Corbucci, Sergio * 11
138 149 Shotgun * Mauri, Roberto * 11
139 151 Ringo from Nebraska * Bava, Mario * 10
139 152 The Greatest Robbery in the West * Lucidi, Maurizio * 10
139 153 A Pistol for 100 Coffins * Lenzi, Umberto * 10
142 155 Train for Durango * Caiano, Mario * 9
143 173 And for a Roof a Sky Full of Stars * Petroni, Giulio * 7
144 163 Viva Maria * Malle, Louis * 7
145 170 Tequila Joe * Dell’Aquila, Vincenzo * 5
146 171 Any Gun Can Play * Castellari, Enzo G. * 5
146 172 Hate Thy Neighbour * Baldi, Ferdinando * 5
148 182 It Can Be Done, Amigo! * Lucidi, Maurizio * 4
148 183 The Belle Star Story * Wertmüller, Lina * 4
150 190 The Beast * Costa, Mario * 3
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3053

What happened since the last update in the top 20?

Finally Run Man Run fell out (for now) of the top 20, probably for the first time since the voting started.

Apart from that FoD lost one place in favor of Django, as did My Name Is Nobody, which is now behind The Return of Ringo.

New in the top 50 is Dead Men Ride, for the first time. Quite interesting as this one did not get a single vote before 2010.
And The Ruthless Four is instead now out.

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And here are the Spaggies which got only one vote:

English Title Director Points
Death Played the Flute * Panaccio, Angelo * 25
Law of Violence * Crea, Gianni * 21
Ringo: The Lone Rider * Marchent, Rafael Romero * 19
Red Blood, Yellow Gold * Cicero, Fernando * 19
Django and Sartana Are Coming… It’s the End * Fidani, Demofilo * 17
Killer Adios * Zeglio, Primo * 16
The Price of Death * Palli, Enzo Gicca * 15
Execution * Paolella, Domenico * 14
Two Crosses at Danger Pass * Marchent, Rafael Romero * 14
Twice a Judas * Cicero, Fernando * 14
No Graves on Boot Hill * Garrone, Sergio * 13
Gentleman Killer * Stegani, Giorgio * 12
El Rojo * Savona, Leopoldo * 12
A Few Dollars for Django * Castellari, Enzo G. * 12
Django Kills Softly * Pupillo, Massimo * 11
Return of Halleluja * Carnimeo, Giuliano * 10
Shango * Mulargia, Edoardo * 9
A Coffin for the Sheriff * Caiano, Mario * 9
A Bounty Killer for Trinity * Massaccesi, Aristide * 9
Up the MacGregors! * Giraldi, Franco * 9
Black Killer * Croccolo, Carlo * 9
A Man Called Noon * Collinson, Peter * 9
Garter Colt * Rocco, Gian Andrea * 8
Halleluja and Sartana Strike Again * Siciliano, Mario * 7
His Colt, Himself, His Revenge * Merighi, Ferdinando * 7
7 Guns from Texas * Marchent, Joaquin Luis Rom. * 7
Wanted * Ferroni, Giorgio * 6
Between God, the Devil and a Winchester * Girolami, Marino * 6
I’ll Sell My Skin Dearly * Fizzarotti, Ettore Maria * 6
Boldest Job in the West * De La Loma, José Antonio * 5
Revenge of the Resurrected * Marchent, Rafael Romero * 5
Those Dirty Dogs * Rosati, Giuseppe * 5
Days of Violence * Brescia, Alfonso * 5
Rita of the West * Baldi, Ferdinando * 5
Killer Kid * Savona, Leopoldo * 5
Take a Hard Ride * Margheriti, Antonio * 4
Born to Kill * Mollica, Antonio * 4
Cjamango * Mulargia, Edoardo * 4
15 Scaffolds for a Killer * Malasomma, Nunzio * 4
Ringo, the Face of Revenge * Caiano, Mario * 4
The Tramplers * Antonini, Alfredo * 4
May God Forgive You… But I Won’t * Musolino, Vincenzo * 3
Buddy Goes West * Lupo, Michele * 3
Sugar Colt * Giraldi, Franco * 3
Five Giants From Texas / Five for Revenge * Florio, Aldo * 3
Sabata the Killer * Demicheli, Tulio * 3
Fasthand Is Still My Name * Bianchi, Mario * 3
God’s Gun * Parolini, Gianfranco * 2
Sartana in the Valley of Death * Mauri, Roberto * 2
The Stranger and the Gunfighter * Margheriti, Antonio * 2
Quinto: Fighting Proud * Klimovsky, Léon * 2
Trinity Plus the Clown and a Guitar * Antel, Franz * 2
Get Mean * Baldi, Ferdinando * 1
More Dollars for the MacGregors * Merino, José Luis * 1
Vendetta at Dawn / Terrible Day of the Big Gundown * Garrone, Sergio * 1
A Stranger in Paso Bravo * Rosso, Salvatore * 1
For a Book of Dollars * Girolami, Renzo * 1
Don’t Touch the White Woman * Ferreri, Marco * 1
The White, the Yellow and the Black * Corbucci, Sergio * 1
This Man Can’t Die * Baldanello, Gianfranco * 1
Machine Gun Killers * Bianchini, Paolo * 1
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Cheers @stanton
So, finally I need to make an adjustment to the Alternative Top 20 to allow for Run Man Run being eligible and Sartana not.

Sartana is not so tough. I can just take it off the list but leave it in the spreadsheet I work from with all its votes intact. That way, if it changes again I can reinstate it easily enough without too much disadvantage.

Run man Run is not so simple. It has never been eligible for the Alternative T20 so has no votes at all and is never likely to make up for ten years of that in terms of votes. Any suggestions?

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I still think just let it as it is. Especially as it is possible that it will change more often over the next years.

Keep Run Man Run, so the alternative list still has no Sollima in it, but all Parolinis. It is then not exactly the current top 20 which is not elligible, but your list still does its alternative job very well.

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3057

Wipe the entire slate clean? Ask everyone for Alternative Top 20 Lists NOW, just collect lists from as many current contributors as possible over the next, say, 12 weeks maybe? And then publish the new alt.20 based only on those lists. It might seem unfair to strip every eligible spag of its points haul just because of Run Man Run but if those spags in the alt.20 list already are really that good, they’ll float back to the top within a few lists anyway.

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Wow this is a remarkable effort, and a true milestone on mankind’s constant struggle for imroving the world. The 200th list will certainly bring even more relief to a broken world…

3059

Hey, don’t stab me in the back … :wink:

3060

Brilliant :grin: :grin:
So, either do nothing or redo the whole thing. :grin:

To be fair, both suggestions have their merits but any middle ground ideas?

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3061

Hmm, I could cheat and change the list in favor of the Sollima …

… oops I just found one long lost list from SartanaDjango’s dead grandma in the pocket of an old coat in the cellar … and it contains … surprise, surprise … 19 Spags with Peter Lee Lawrence and Run Man Run. What a nice coincidence …

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3062

No! No middle ground ideas. All or nothing! :slightly_smiling_face:

At the end of the day, Stanton’s “Do nothing” idea… well, it does nothing. Run Man Run will always be in a decade’s worth of points arrears against its contemporaries and the alt.20 list will always be skewed as a result. Clearing the decks seems extreme but it’s fair, it’s accurate and it might liven the chart up which could prove enticing to newer contributors, seeing their contributions making an immediate impact.

Tbh, I think much the same about Stanton’s official Top 20. Everything’s cast in stone because of votes from almost 15 years ago. People change, attitudes to films change, tastes change, the contributors on these boards change, films receive new/better DVD releases, new/better blu-ray releases, new 4k UHD releases., all of which changes peoples’ perceptions of this film or that. Burn it all down, says I. Start again. It’s the reboot, people! :cowboy_hat_face:

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Not really. The idea was to get a stable top 20, and this won’t change much by a new voting. We also got meanwhile a stable top 50, and I’m sure this also won’t change much by a redoing.

But actually I kicked already some years ago several older lists out, lists from ex forum members, and after we reach the 200 lists mark I will continuously kick older lists out for every new one. Lists by people who haven’t posted in the forum for a long time.

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Made up DMR has finally made it into the top 50 :slightly_smiling_face:

3065

Ah, good. Keeps things from going stale. All the more reason then for Phil to freshen up his chart with a good old clear-out. :slightly_smiling_face:

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Although I admire both your “all or nothing at all” sentiments I think I have to find some middle ground. Apart from anything else, Sartana and Run Man Run are so close in the Official Top 20 standings points wise that they could easily switch places again at any time with a single new list changing everything all over again.

I’m thinking, call on everyone to post a new Alt Top 20 list (especially if they now want to include Run Man Run) but change the rules slightly so that you can include anything outside the current Official Top 18. I will collect points for all those selected but only publish in the Alt Top 20 those films currently outside the Official Top 20. That way a marginal placed film can have points building up to use if it ever falls outside the Official Top 20.

No doubt this will confuse some, it already does anyway, but hopefully it will make the list future proof.