The Last Western You Watched? ver.2.0

(scherpschutter) #241

Yes, but you answered, in response to my remark:

In the example given by @titoli it leads to something that is definitely not PC (if there is anything the PC communnity hates, it’s fascism). There has always been conformism , it’s the logical complement of rebellion, yet PC as we know it, is something recent.

(titoli) #242

If they were actually speaking accurate period dialogue, we probably wouldn’t understand the word they are saying…

(scherpschutter) #243

No, but it’s a good thing to avoid terms or expressions that are all-too-modern. You can’t have a cowboy say to his pal: “yeah man, cool! Cool man, cool.”

(Stanton) #244

Which does not mean that it is the same, only that conformism is a basis for a PC attitude, but neither that conformism leads automatically to PC, nore that everything that comes from conformism has to do with PC.

Is it really something recent? Or is only the expression PC something recent?

(kit saginaw) #245

It involves speaking in metaphors… and slang.

Ken Curtis (Festus), from Gunsmoke, is the best example I can think of right now. -A graduate of John Ford westerns, where the minor characters have most of the best lines.

" That blamed rifle kicks like bobtail-mule at both ends. "…

(Phil H) #246

Oh I don’t know. Sometimes it can be groovy man.

(scherpschutter) #247

Look again at the explanation I copied from wikipedia. I can’t think of any period in history where people were using and or promoting “language, policies, or measures that are intended to avoid offense or disadvantage to members of particular groups in society” Women rights (including the rights to vote) are pretty recent, most civilisations from ancient history to modern times knew slavery (do you really think the language and/or behaviour of slave holders - or the people in those days - was PC by any stretch of the imagination?), apartheid was only abolished recently in countries like South-Africa and the US, etc. In those days people weren’t discussing whether certain others should be called negroes or black, but discussing whether they were human beings or some kind of less valuable species, closer to apes than humans.

(Stanton) #248

Of course, but there were probably other things people avoided for the same reasons in former times. I still doubt that the thinking behind being PC is that new.
Being PC about race questions or about feminism is of course new. Things can’t be PC before there is a social awareness of them as problem.

Apart from that I find these PC accusations of films or books often much overdone. It is a simple way to attack films which have “something to say”. The term PC is much too often used to discredit people or films (or books etc)

(scherpschutter) #249

Well, in that particular case we simply don’t agree. But those things happen :wink:

(Stanton) #250

Well, that surprises me.



(Stanton) #252

It doesn’t …

(scherpschutter) #253

Escalated? It’s okay ro have different opinions on things (just my opinion, of course).

One thing:

Did you think of one (or more) book(s)/movie(s) in particular?

(Stanton) #254

I read that very often about films which have some critical or commercial success, and which have a certain content.
12 Years a Slave springs to my mind, or only a few days ago about Dunkirk.

Frankly said I don’t care about things being PC or not, and I think I never blame films for that. It is a method to criticise films which I somehow don’t like (not the films, the method), and it is for that not important if I like the such criticised films.

(Asa) #255

20 posts were merged into an existing topic: James Bond

(Asa) #256

Apologies gentlemen but we’d veered way off-topic there; the last week’s-worth of posts were about James Bond so I’ve moved them to our dedicated thread which you can find HERE.



**Terror in a Texas Town (1958) 7/10

The Appaloosa (1966) 7/10

Along Came Jones (1945) 7/10

The Americano (1955) 5/10

(scherpschutter) #258

An Israeli western, you don’t see that very often. Actually I had never seen or even heard of this picture before. It’s far from great, but I nevertheless enjoyed it:

(tomas) #259

dir by Vincenzo Musolino

Oh boy, what a turkey I chose to start a spagh marathon.
In its tedious style very similar to Mulargia’s worst efforts, namely Cjamango and Don’t Wait, Django, Shoot. You can safely use fastforward, half of the movie is just people walking, sitting, riding or waiting - I had to check out the net afterwards, if Mulargia wasn’t involved somehow. Occasional shootouts and mediocre music doesn’t really help either, nor that the movie is sometimes extremely stupid. For example, Quintana frees prisoners and while he is staying inside, men are slaughthered outside by soldiers (Something like six of them). Then he comes out and shoots soldiers without any problems. Subsequently he questions his actions and comes to conclusion he shouldn’t play a hero. Well, you could, but next time go outside first and deal with possible threats yourself, not your unarmed companions.
Cinematography is sometimes interesting, but if you would drink a shot of whisky everytime a dutch angle is used, you would probably die from alcohol poisoning.
My rating: 1 out of 5

(tomas) #260


aka Wrath Of God

I started to watch and soon enough shook my head in despair. Ten minutes in I thought this is going to be pretty much on the same level as Quintana. What a waste that would be, for it features one of my genre favorites, Brett Halsey. Thankfully with a cool shootout in the forest things suddenly started to look better. Next desert scene seconded that (especially what happens after knifefight), and I thought “This is going to be the best revenge spagh since El Desperado”. :sunglasses:
And you know what? No, it wasn’t!
It was actually quite horrible from that point - you got a prison scene, poker game scene, weird scene at the post office at the midnight, Sancho the scoundrel trademark scene, all that shit is there and and it all more or less sucks and I’m again in my head shaking routine, but then a small miracle happens. Near the very end, there is actually another cool scene in a cave concerning a horse, a rope, a hole and some clever sneaky action. Nice.
So the result, with some interesting locations and Lacerenza’s score counted in, is not that bad.
Rating: :desert::spades::horse: