I know my old pal @ENNIOO doesnât think much of anything Cox has done in the last few decades 
Received the blu ray today and just popped it in
Wow, what a great little video with Alex Cox briefly discussing Corbucci and the film. Somehow I never knew that Vonetta McGee was in Repo Man, despite it being one of my favorite films. I guess I just never realized who she was in general, as Iâve seen her in several blaxploitation flics as well.
Also did not know that Joe Kidd was a kind of rip off, if thatâs true.
I think I remember wondering what the deal is with this snowy forest cabin Cox is filmed in from being in the same cabin for the previous US DVD release⊠maybe even posted about it in this thread if I scroll up
More Cox nonsense ! 
As âThe Great Silenceâ wasnât even released in the USA in the 60s, and Eastwood is no fan of Euro Westerns (not even those he appeared in) ⊠not to mention the lack of similarities in story or character ⊠this is a pretty inane statement.
Itâs been a while I read about this and Iâve forgotten my source but I remember that Clint really planned to make a remake of TGS. Maybe he even bought the rights to the film which could be a reason for film not being released in US. But apart from few similarities in Joe Kidd nothing ever surfaced.
This point actually came up quite recently ⊠Twentieth Century Fox were to be the distributor in America, but they didnât like the downbeat ending, so it never got released - So itâs very doubtful Eastwood ever saw or even heard of the film - Just like the supposed link between âHigh Plains Drifterâ and âDjango the Bastardâ.
And hereâs a quote from Howard Hughesâ first Spaghetti Western book regarding The Great Silence 
Whole scenes appear unchanged in Hang 'Em High (1967), Joe Kidd (1972) and Unforgiven (1992).
Not quite following you here, Dean ⊠is it suggested that these Eastwood films ripped off various SW ideas ? Quite possibly, but not so specifically.
Iâm not taking Eastwoodâs corner, just saying that certain SW-ologists are drawing conclusions based on very little or no evidence.
Nope, Iâm currently reading the book and thought that bit would be of some significance to this discussion. Iâm not sure what scenes are in question. All I can think of is the saloon ending in Unforgiven?
I agree.
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Ok ⊠thereâs a sense of deja vu here 
I donât remember much of such similarities. If any âŠ
Hang 'Em High is not really possible, as TGS was released much later, actually in Dec 68. This is also something Cox got wrong, cause he thinks that TGS was released in Dec 67.
But his source is a 20th C. Fox manager who told him that they wanted to do a TGS remake with Eastwood, and Cox is not claiming that Clint really wanted to do it, but only asks instead âDid Clint really wanted to remake TGS?â. And only says about Joe Kidd that Fox made instead âa similar looking snowbound westernâ and that the Mauser pistol is in it.
Well, thereâs actually not much snow in the not similar looking Joe Kidd, otherwise Cox doesnât claim any nonsensical things about that case.
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But you just said:
You canât possibly know that! So now youâre pulling conclusions out of the clear blue sky to argue against Cox pulling conclusions out of the clear blue sky!
Did he prang your car once and didnât leave a note? He seems to have offended you at a âlifelong blood feudâ level. 
Yeah, Cox is briefly talking in the video about how perhaps Eastwood saw the film in theaters as he was in Rome?(donât remember the exact location) shooting a film at the time of release, and that perhaps he and this Fox manager wanted to do a remake which never happened, but a few of the ideas did show up in Joe Kidd such as the mauser pistol and snowy setting.
I think he said something about the possible remake having to due with TGS not being released in the US theatrically because it was being held back for this reason.
But heâs stating it all as speculation and questions, not as fact
My wording as âa sort of rip offâ is a poor choice of words on my part
I already said in a previous post, that due to the film not receiving a theatrical release, how would Eastwood have known about it ⊠or cared. âJoe Kiddâ being a rip off of âThe Great Silenceâ was the basis for the comment. I said âvery doubtfulâ⊠so thatâs not making an out of the blue statement, itâs a reasonable likelihood.
Anyway, none of this is really very important to me. If some need a guru to make stuff up and tell them how they should feel about a particular subject, well thatâs their business and misfortune.
I was just reacting to something which yet again I found ridiculous.
I donât know what he knew and what he didnât, mate. And neither do you. But Iâm not casting aspersions based on Clint Eastwoodâs movie awareness fifty years ago.
For something not very important to you, youâre repeatedly getting yourself in quite a tizzy, pickle. Nobody âneeds a guruâ or needs any snide digs flung at them about needing to be told how they feel, or about âtheir misfortuneâ. If itâs making you this hostile perhaps you should step away from the laptop for a minute. Have a pink gin or a wank or whatever cools your motor. 
I guess we see here why I relate to Cox so well⊠we share a tendency for poor wording, creating untrue statements causing arguments on the internet 
And also a fondness for isolated cabins
⊠and thatâs not hostile !? Take your own advice fella.
Aldo
No, that wasnât hostile. I only speak to people on here the way Iâd speak to their face. It wasnât especially respectful, no, but youâre not behaving in an especially respectful manner right now. In any event, itâs literally what I think you need to do. The thread is there for everyone to see. Youâre the one getting lairy with everyone and youâve made your feelings known on this same one subject over and over, across multiple threads. We get it. Cox is a twat, you donât like him, and everyone who does is a bellend for failing to see it your way. Okay. Itâs time for you to change that particular record.
If youâve anything further to add to this thread on the subject of The Great Silence, fill your boots. Youâre more than welcome. When youâre not being an overbearing plum youâre an outstanding contributor, so bloody act like it. If youâve any constructive, NEW criticisms to make of Cox or Tarantino or the raft of other things you donât like, criticisms which add to or encourage a decent, inclusive discussion, direct those comments to the appropriate threads, but do so in a manner that isnât as dismissive of othersâ opinions as youâre being here. But I promise you Iâm not wasting my evening arguing with you, Aldo. Lifeâs too short. Iâm asking you: Calm yourself down, moderate your tone, and give us a cuddle. 
Iâve no problem with calling out anyone who makes false statements about spag history, especially if they do it repeatedly. Iâm no expert on spagh facts or Cox though - my appreciation for Cox comes from his own work, not what heâs written/said about other films, so I donât really know much about what he has said.
But the reaction in this thread is really my fault for posting that he said Joe Kidd was a rip off, which he didnât say. I donât remember much of anything about Joe Kidd, and apparently it isnât anything like TGS, so the reaction to this statement by aldo is appropriate if he thought that Cox said this
I should be more careful about my statements 
I like Cox for broadly the same reasons you do autephex, but in actual fact I absolutely agree with Aldo and othersâ assertions that heâs fairly abhorrent with his factchecking. I think though I tend to see this - when it comes to commentary/introduction pieces; his own books are a different matter - more as the fault of those who keep employing a guy who only really gives forthright (and often factually incorrect) opinion pieces, to provide what are often held, with some justification, to be far more comprehensive analyses. Thatâs simply not his fortĂ©.
Itâs not the only way in which I sympathise with Aldoâs position here, either. Personally, I bloody detest Michael Bay. I could happily fill the entire bandwidth available to this forum telling you just how much. So when I say âI get itâ with regard to Aldoâs take on Cox, I really do. But Iâve made this point before, and Iâve really nothing else to add beyond repeating my disdain from now until the end of time, which Iâd love to do but Iâm sure everyone would tire of it soon enough. Indeed, @stanton pulled me up for my whinging and wholly negative diatribe at the time I made it and he was right to have done so. My point was clearly made and Iâd really stopped adding much to my argument after roughly the twelfth âI FUPPING HATE HIM!!!â Itâs a small man who doesnât learn a little bit, and grow a little bit.
That being said: Yes, itâs all your fault autephex. Now drop and give me twenty! 
Now, PLEASE gentlemen: The subject is The Great bloody Silence! 
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