James Bond

On Her Majesty’s SS is one of the Bonds I rewatched last month, and I think it’s one of the best, at least the best out of the Connery days, only that Connery wasn’t in it. But I would say that I surprisingly didn’t miss him, I really thought that Lazenby is quite good in this one.

The film is the best directed of the early Bonds, maybe the best of all before QoS arrived, and it has the best score. The instrumental main theme is just great and plays in my head all the time. The action scenes have some real filmic moments, not only consisting out of spectacular stunts, and they are cut very well (no wonder, the director was an ex-cutter).

But I wasn’t able to rewatch one of the 1st 5 Bonds, so let’s wait how they are now.

Scherp, what do you think about the novels?

I read them all then, but now, as I’m trying again, I think they have not much to offer. They are somehow clearly dated, they didn’t age very well. There’s not even a bit erotic in them, only a schoolboy’s idea about sex.

[quote=“Phil H, post:39, topic:544”]For Her Thighs Only

Good title, but I think I missed that one ;)[/quote]

Okay, for Phil’s eyes only:

[quote=“Stanton, post:41, topic:544”]On Her Majesty’s SS is one of the Bonds I rewatched last month, and I think it’s one of the best, (…)

The film is the best directed of the early Bonds, maybe the best of all before QoS arrived, and it has the best score. The instrumental main theme is just great and plays in my head all the time. The action scenes have some real filmic moments, not only consisting out of spectacular stunts, and they are cut very well (no wonder, the director was an ex-cutter).

Scherp, what do you think about the novels?

I read them all then, but now, as I’m trying again, I think they have not much to offer. They are somehow clearly dated, they didn’t age very well. There’s not even a bit erotic in them, only a schoolboy’s idea about sex.[/quote]

Novels: Same feelings. They’re well-written, Fleming had excellent writing skills, but the stories have dated considerably. I don’t know exactly why, but maybe it has something to do with these writing skills. I re-read a few Saint novels by Leslie Charteris a while ago (after my operation, when I had to stay indoor for a few weeks) and found out that they were still quite enjoyable, that is: if you’re able to overlook their shortcomings. Fleming is a far better writer than Charteris, but somehow this doesn’t work in his advantage. Fleming thought he was writing something of real value, while in fact he had not much to say. The stories are a bit simplistic, in a film this doesn’t necessarily hurt, in a novel it’s much more difficult to hide. Charteris was a kind of ‘what-the-hell-do-I-care’ writer, a careless, unpretentious, male chauvenist pig, just like his protagonist (and some of his readers, I suppose). For the kind of stories he wrote, that’s the right attitude.

Majesty’s SS - I haven’t seen it recently. Rewatching it some ten years ago (on television) it ruined my cinema memory a little, that is why I skipped it from the list last year, when I did my Bond rewatch tour. I remember an awful scene with bob-sleighs that nearly made me reach for the remote controll. I thought Lazenby was disastrous, a guy with wry nose and no charisma whatsoever. I saw him in an Emanuelle movie a while ago, next to good old Silvia Kristel (they were both middle aged and not really taking part in the film’s action - if you know what I mean - but commenting it, sitting in a plane).

Moonraker was the first Bond I viewed at the cinema, and it was a while until Licence To Kill till that I viewed another one at the cinema. My Favourite Bond film is On Her Majesty’s Secret Service. Roger Moore is the best Bond for me as although not the best actor in the world, he is laid back and does not take himself to seriously.

There has been some dispute re the James Bond Theme over the years:

John Barry played a huge part in so many of the Bond films though.

I think it’s an amazing series, the only one I don’t like so much is Diamonds are Forever.

I love the soundtracks from For Your Eyes Only, OHMSS, Thunderball, The Spy Who Loved Me… I hope the next Daniel Craig Bond uses the Bond theme before the end credits.

[quote=“ENNIOO, post:44, topic:544”]Moonraker was the first Bond I viewed at the cinema, and it was a while until Licence To Kill till that I viewed another one at the cinema. My Favourite Bond film is On Her Majesty’s Secret Service. Roger Moore is the best Bond for me as although not the best actor in the world, he is laid back and does not take himself to seriously.

There has been some dispute re the James Bond Theme over the years:

John Barry played a huge part in so many of the Bond films though.[/quote]

Never knew this, like most people I identified the theme too easily with Barry

Wonderful theme, I’m always pleased to hear it, contrary to Williams’ Indiana Jones theme, that is absolutely awful and irritating (but that’s personal, I guess)

My favourite Bond of the Connery era is OHMSS followed by Thunderball and FRwL. Goldfinger never matched up to its reputation. Then Dr. No and at last YoLT, which is one of the mechanical ones, and DAF, which lacks highpoints and suffers from pale villain and Bond-girl.
This is based mostly on memories as I have only seen OHMSS and the greatest parts of DAF (before I fell asleep) lately.

The best Roger Bonds were without any doubt LaLD and TSWLM. Followed by FYEO, which was weaker than I had remembered it. The 80s Bonds by John Glen were rather old-fashiond directed, and especially his work with Moore in the lead suffered from his uninspired work. AVtaK is possibly the weakest Bond of all (also with the most boring Bond-girl), and I remember that Moonraker also belonged to the mechanical ones . But the Connery comeback in NSNA wasn’t much better, while Octopussy was after all entertaining.

Dalton was probably the perfect actor for the role, but lacked the star charisma of the other Bonds (except Lazenby, of course). LtK showed that director Glen had at least learned to direct, and it is the true forerunner of the Craig films, but was undeservedly dismissed by the fans. TLD seemed to be written for Moore, and I always imagined him when the too typical flat jokes appeared. But this one was much better than I thought.

These flat humour and these flat sidekicks are also the worst parts in the Brosnan films, which administered the formula well enough for the 90s. GoldenEye belongs to the better Bonds as is TWINE, but the again mechanical TND is one of the baddest, while DAD suffers from idiotic over the top ideas like invisible cars.

It was then Craig who blew a big dose of fresh air into a 46 years old franchise.

Not to my liking either, but like some of his earlier scores to films like; The Reivers, The Cowboys and the overture to the Spielberg film 1941.

OHMSS?
TB?
FRwL?
YoLT?
DAF?
LaLD?
TSWLM?
FYEO?
AVtaK?
NSNA?
OP?
TLD?
DAD?

I know some:

DAF = Dutch Automobile Factory
TB = To be (ONTB)
FRwL = Free Willy (from Cock Media)
DAD = Mum
NSNA : NASA (some guys can’t spell)
OP > You mean OD ? Or is when you are OD and say OJ ?
OHMSS = Oh heavens, must she stay?
MES?EMS! = Muss es sein? Es muss sein!
SR = Stanton Rules !

Don’t be so lazy, it’s easy, there are not so much possibilities.

[quote=“scherpschutter, post:50, topic:544”]I know some:

DAF = Dutch Automobile Factory
TB = To be (ONTB)
FRwL = Free Willy (from Cock Media)
DAD = Mum
NSNA : NASA (some guys can’t spell)
OP > You mean OD ? Or is when you are OD and say OJ ?
OHMSS = Oh heavens, must she stay?
MES?EMS! = Muss es sein? Es muss sein!
SR = Stanton Rules ![/quote]

Sorry all wrong, 0 points

Well, half a point for the last one, on a good day

I think the early Bonds were fairly groundbreaking within the action/adventure genre, with fast editing for example, and daring content of sex and violence.

Today they are of course dated in many ways, but some of them are fun to watch now and then just for entertainment, they still have a certain charm.

I also think On Her Majesty’s Secret Service is awful though, so incredibly cheesy even if the music and some other stuff is good.

I like the ones by Terence Young the best, Dr No, From Russia with Love, Thunderball.

There were also countless Bond imitations made in the 60s in Italy, France, USA etc although none were as successful as the real Bonds.

The spy genre eventually died out, just like the SW genre, but the Bond movies survived the 70s even though they became more or less parodies of the older films.

I have seen Casino Royale but not the latest one QOS, but I think today they’re heavily influenced by the Bourne movies, which in my opinion are far better and more serious films.

They should probably put the Bond series to rest I think :wink:

I’m a fan of all these cheesy James Bond Flicks (even Moonraker ;D ). My favourite is From Russia with Love aka FRWL and Sean Connery was the best Actor for 007. I like the new hardboiled 007 Movies with Daniel Craig more than the Movies with Mr. Mamma Mia Pierce Brosnan. Golden Eye was quite good but Die Another Day (BTW most stupid Title of the series) was forgetable.

The novels are fun to read but not great masterpieces. In the Novel of Dr. No James Bond has to fight against a big Octopus. Strange that they didn’t used that scene in the Movie. :slight_smile:

and now the real reason why we like Bond movies

Is she a Bond Girl? :o
If not she should be in the next!

[quote=“Sebastian, post:54, topic:544”]and now the real reason why we like Bond movies

[/quote]you got that right seb!

[quote=“Paco Roman, post:55, topic:544”]Is she a Bond Girl? :o
If not she should be in the next![/quote]

she’s in quantum of solace!!!

Olga Kurlyenko ?

Yes, some of them had really an erotic effect. It’s interesting which girls are still beautiful over the years, and which not.

She is?
But it’s not Olga after her newest operation?

Maybe it’s before her Operation! :wink: