[quote=“sartana1, post:32, topic:2760”]GB&U and OUATITW at number 10 and 26 respectively are inexcusable. Requiscant higher than Great Silence is just Weird…I wonder how many of the people voting for that poll actually saw it (or many SWs other than the Leone ones for that matter) Josey Wales and Dead Man in the top 10 are a joke.
To me Blazing Saddles may be an all time top 10 comedy :)[/quote]
There was probably no poll. Maybe a list done by the TimeOUt team.
That was my idea too.
Is there a way to see the Criterion poll without subscribing? If there’s a thing I hate it’s subscribing to website I know I won’t visit often. Or maybe someone could post the list on here?
THE WESTERN LIST (GENRE PROJECT) TOP 100
01 Man of the West (Anthony Mann 1958) 521
02 Rio Bravo (Howard Hawks 1959) 494
03 Once Upon a Time in the West (Sergio Leone 1968) 486
04 Red River (Howard Hawks 1948) 444
05 Johnny Guitar (Nicholas Ray 1954) 424
06 My Darling Clementine (John Ford 1946) 415
07 the Searchers (John Ford 1956) 404
08 the Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Sergio Leone 1966) 400
09 Winchester '73 (Anthony Mann 1950) 398
10 McCabe and Mrs Miller (Robert Altman 1971) 397
11 the Wild Bunch (Sam Peckinpah 1969) 377
12 the Naked Spur (Anthony Mann 1953) 346
13 Stagecoach (John Ford 1939) 344
14 Forty Guns (Samuel Fuller 1953) 303
15 Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (John Ford 1962) 291
16 Ride the High Country (Sam Peckinpah 1962) 283
17 Yellow Sky (William A Wellman 1948) 265
18 Little Big Man (Arthur Penn 1970) 256
19 Dead Man (Jim Jarmusch 1995) 240
20 Heaven’s Gate (Michael Cimino 1980) 235
21 the Gunfighter (Henry King 1950) 231
22 the Great Silence (Sergio Corbucci 1968) 223
23 Day of the Outlaw (Andre de Toth 1959) 219
24 Seven Men From Now (Budd Boetticher 1956) 217
25 Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid (Sam Peckinpah 1973) 210
26 the Man From Laramie (Anthony Mann 1955) 201
27 For a Few Dollars More (Sergio Leone 1965) 195
28 Ulzana’s Raid (Robert Aldrich 1972) 190
29 Ride Lonesome Budd Boetticher 1959) 184
30 El Dorado (Howard Hawks 1966) 180
31 Bend of the River (Anthony Mann 1952) 174
32 Rancho Notorious (Fritz Lang 1952) 160
33 the Big Trail (Raoul Walsh 1930) 157
34 the Treasure of Sierra Madre (John Huston 1948) 155
35 Wagon Master (John Ford 1950) 153
36 Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (George Roy Hill 1969) 150
37 Canyon Passage (Jacques Tourneur 1946) 148
37 High Noon (Fred Zinnemann 1952) 148
37 the Shooting (Monte Hellman 1968) 148
37 Terror in a Texas Town (Joseph H Lewis 1958) 148
41 the Ox-Bow Incident (William A Wellman 1943) 145
42 the Hired Hand (Peter Fonda 1971) 142
43 Track of the Cat (William A Wellman 1954) 137
44 Black God, White Devil (Glauber Rocha 1964) 136
45 Shane (George Stevens 1953) 134
45 the Westerner (William Wyler 1940) 134
47 Pursued (Raoul Walsh 1947) 133
48 Destry Rides Again (George Marshall 1939) 131
49 the Far Country (Anthony Mann 1954) 130
50 Duel in the Sun (King Vidor 1946) 122
51 Major Dundee (Sam Peckinpah 1965) 121
52 the Professionals (Richard Brooks 1966) 120
53 One-Eyed Jacks (Marlon Brando 1961) 119
54 Lonesome Dove (Simon Wincer 1989) 116
55 Django (Sergio Corbucci 1966) 112
56 the Furies (Anthony Mann 1950) 110
56 High Plains Drifter (Clint Eastwood 1973) 110
56 Vera Cruz (Robert Aldrich 1954) 110
59 the Tall T (Budd Boetticher 1957) 107
60 the Ballad of Cable Hogue (Sam Peckinpah 1970) 101
61 Bad Company (Robert Benton 1972) 100
61 Colorado Territory (Raoul Walsh 1949) 100
61 Duck, You Sucker! (Sergio Leone 1971) 100
64 the Mercenary (Sergio Corbucci 1968) 98
65 True Grit (the Coen Brothers 2010) 95
66 Backlash (John Sturges 1956) 92
67 A Bullet for the General (Damiano Damiani 1966) 91
67 Whity (RW Fassbinder 1971) 91
69 the Tin Star (Anthony Mann 1957) 90
70 Blazing Saddles (Mel Brooks 1974) 89
71 the Iron Horse (John Ford 1924) 83
72 She Wore a Yellow Ribbon (John Ford 1949) 82
73 Hell’s Hinges (Charles Swickard 1916) 79
73 Unforgiven (Clint Eastwood 1992) 79
75 Buck and the Preacher (Sidney Poitier 1972) 77
75 the Last Sunset (Robert Aldrich 1961) 77
77 the New World (Terrence Mallick 2005) 76
78 Calamity Jane (David Butler 1953) 74
79 Ramrod (Andre de Toth 1947) 72
79 Silver Lode (Allan Dwan 1954) 72
79 Two Rode Together (John Ford 1961) 72
82 Blood on the Moon (Robert Wise 1948) 71
82 China 9 Liberty 37 (Monte Hellman 1978) 71
82 Union Pacific (Cecil B DeMille 1939) 71
85 the Big Country (William Wyler 1958) 70
86 A Big Hand For the Little Lady (Fielder Cook 1966) 69
87 Django, Kill! (Guilio Questi 1967) 67
88 the Great Train Robbery (Edwin S Porter 1903) 65
88 Hud (Martin Ritt 1963) 65
88 the Shootist (Don Siegel 1976) 65
88 Tell Them Willie Boy is Here (Abraham Polonsky 1969) 65
88 the Wind (Victor Sjostrom 1928) 65
93 the Assassination of Jesse James By the Coward Robert Ford (Andrew Domink 2007) 64
94 By the Law (Lev Kuleshov 1926) 64
94 Fort Apache (John Ford 1948) 64
96 Lonely Are the Brave (David Miller 1962) 61
97 Rio Grande (John Ford 1950) 58
98 Viva Zapata! (Elia Kazan 1952) 57
99 Taza, Son of Cochise (Douglas Sirk 1954) 54
100 Campaneros (Sergio Corbucci 1970) 53
100 Jeremiah Johnson (Sydney Pollack 1972) 53
ALSO RANS (Two or more votes, in descending order)
River of No Return, Faccia a Faccia, Dodge City, the Gold Rush, Man Without a Star, the Wonderful Country, Hombre, Little Big Horn, Soldier Blue, the Bravados, Rio Conchos, Broken Arrow, Wichita, A Man Called Horse, Decision at Sundown, El Topo, the Halliday Brand, Ride the Whirlwind, Stranger on Horseback, A Fistful of Dollars, the Hanging Tree, Jesse James, Will Penny, I Shot Jesse James, There was a crooked man…, Junior Bonner, the Violent Men, the Big Sky, the Long Riders, True Grit (Hathaway), Comanche Station, Kill and Pray, the Outlaw Josey Wales, Buchannan Rides Alone, Rawhide, the Beguiled, the Missouri Breaks, the Claim, the Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean, Dirty Little Billy, Return of a Man Called Horse, Run For Cover, Dances With Wolves, How the West Was Won, the Plainsman
ORPHANS (Only one vote, In alphabetical order)
A Town Called Hell, the Alamo, Along Came Jones, Along the Great Divide, Alvarez Kelly, Annie Get Your Gun, Anthonio das Mortes, Appaloosa, Arrowhead, the Big Gundown, Boot Hill, Boss Nigger, Broken Lance, Bucking Broadway, Buffalo Bill and the Indians, or Sitting Bull’s History Lesson, Carne de horca, Cemetery Without Crosses, the Chechahcos, Cheyenne Autumn, Cimarron (Mann), Cold Mountain, Cowboy, the Cowboys, Culpepper Cattle Co, Dark Command, Days of Heaven, (Deadwood Season One), Deputy Droopy, Der Schatz im silbersee, the Devil’s Doorway, Duel at Silver Creek, Duel in the Eclipse, Eagle’s Wing, El Puro, Fort Massacre, From Hell to Eternity, From Hell to Texas, Fury at Showdown, Garden of Evil, Go West, Goin’ South, the Good, the Bad and the Weird, Great Day in the Morning, Gun Fury, Gunfight at the OK Corral, Gunman’s Walk, the Harvey Girls, Heller in Pink Tights, Hondo, In the Land of the War Canoes, the Invaders, Keoma, the Last Frontier, the Last Killer, Last of the Mohicans (1992), Last Train From Gun Hill, the Law and Jake Wade, Law and Order (1932), Law and Order (1952), the Lawless Breed, Lawless Street, the Left-Handed Gun, Lone Star, the Lonely Man, Lonesome Cowboys, Los Hermanos del Hierro, the Lusty Men, Mackenna’s Gold, the Magnificent Seven, Man in the Wilderness, Man With the Gun, Matalo!, Meek’s Cutoff, the Misfits, Monte Walsh, My Little Chickadee, My Name is Nobody, the Naked Dawn, No Name on the Bullet, North to Alaska, Northwest Passage, the Oklahoma Kid, Osceola, the Outcasts of Poker Flats, Pale Rider, Passion, Posse (Douglas), Posse (Peebles), the Purple Plain, the Proposition, the Quick and the Dead, Ravenous, the Return of Frank James, Ride With the Devil, Riding Shotgun, Run of the Arrow, Saddle Tramp, Santa Fe Trail, Seyyit han, Sholay, Silverado, the Tall Texan, Tears of the Black Tiger, Tennessee’s Partner, Tension at Table Rock, Tepepa, Texas Tom, These Thousand Hills, Three Bad Men, the Three Burials of Melquaides Estrada, 3 Godfathers, 310 to Yuma (1957), the True Story of Jesse James, Two Mules For Sister Sara, Unconquered, the Unforgiven, Valerie, Virginia City, Viva Maria!, Wagon Train, Warlock, the Way of the Gaucho, Way Out West, We Were Strangers, Western Union, Westward the Women, White of the Desert
As I said only 16 voters.
Maybe some here who have seen most of the listed films may like to make a list, and we just put further flesh on it. 
What is requested, a Top 10, 20, 100, 1000 ?
The first I haven’t seen, starting at N° 1, is N° 37 Canyon passage (there are quite a few N° 37 by te way)
Don’t know 44, 67, 79 and 94
“Hign Noon” at number 37 that is ridiculous.
Haven’t You seen any of those Glauber Rocha flicks the Brazilian Cinema Novo/Neew Cinema director ?
[quote=“scherpschutter, post:46, topic:2760”]What is requested, a Top 10, 20, 100, 1000 ?
The first I haven’t seen, starting at N° 1, is N° 37 Canyon passage (there are quite a few N° 37 by te way)
Don’t know 44, 67, 79 and 94[/quote]
They asked for 50
Some of the voters have stated that they have seen about 80 % of the 100.
44 Black God, White Devil (Glauber Rocha 1964) - aka God and the Devil in the Land of the Sun - not a western, but with a SW like killer named Antonio das Mortes whom Rocha dedicated another film in 1968
94 By the Law (Lev Kuleshov 1926) - also no western- a satire
67 Whity (RW Fassbinder 1971) - strange inclusion, not so many people in the world have seen Whity. It wasn’t released theatrically in Germany only shown on TV, but now there is a DVD.
Which 79:
79 Ramrod (Andre de Toth 1947) 72
79 Silver Lode (Allan Dwan 1954) 72
79 Two Rode Together (John Ford 1961)
I assume the first which is a good western, but for me also a surprise as it is also not too well known.
Friend of mine recently viewed Whity. He was mortified. He mainly likes traditional westerns but was just giving this a try.
Btw I have re-watched One Eyed Jacks one evening too late, and with only 16 voters I would have catapulted it from # 53 to # 36.
Yeah, but gotta get your mind around the context in which the film is placed in the poll. Polls are an agenda-driven exercise over at Criterion Forum. The members have been instructed in how to view the film by this domino harvey character.
There are so many flaws in the poll I hesitate to enumerate them, and I don’t mean the position of the films in the voting.
[quote=“Stanton, post:45, topic:2760”]As I said only 16 voters.
Maybe some here who have seen most of the listed films may like to make a list, and we just put further flesh on it. ;)[/quote]
That’s not a bad idea.
I own 80% of the films on DVD and I’ve seen perhaps 95%. Most of them I’ve seen more than once, and some I’ve seen dozens of times.
Richard
79 Silver Lode
I’ll try to make a Top 50, no idea how difficult that will be
Without any modesty I can say that I have seen them all, and from the also rans I only had to miss one. Stranger on Horseback by Jacques Tourneur is one of the rarest in Germany, and I also never managed to get an English copy. But it ain’t that famous either.
Really? Explain.
I only entered the forum very late, and haven’t read the whole 20+ pages of the thread. It seems they started it already half a year ago and they proposed films for watching and they tried to watch as much of the proposed and discussed films as possible.
[quote=“scherpschutter, post:53, topic:2760”]79 Silver Lode
I’ll try to make a Top 50, no idea how difficult that will be[/quote]
It wasn’t easy, and I had to skip 30 - 50 westerns I would like to have in.
And I did not chose any of the half-westerns.
[quote=“Stanton, post:56, topic:2760”]It wasn’t easy, and I had to skip 30 - 50 westerns I would like to have in.
And I did not chose any of the half-westerns.[/quote]
I won’t do that either
The Gold Rush and My Little Chickadee are good movies, but I don’t see them as westerns. On the other hand, I tend to see a comedy like Blazing Saddles as a western. I guess there’s always a gray area. What about a movie like Ride with the Devil?
Blazing Saddles is unlike Support Your Local Sheriff or Cat Ballou at first a comedy and than a western, so I ignored it too. It is very tricky for me to compare comedies like Go West, The Paleface, Der Schuh des Manitu or Pardners with “serious” westerns.
Same problem with the Trinity films, which I prefer not to have in my SW list.
Ride the Devil is a western for me. But in the end one should do it like the criterion guys did it. If one thinks it is western, it is a western.
Alright
I’ll read the entire thread first (are you Lighthouse by the way?)
Maybe