Alternative Top 20

[QuickDraw (Lewis)]

Very well put.

[RockyRaccoon]

@QuickDraw @last.caress @Dean
Since it has a forum page, I technically count it but I can see why most people wouldn’t. Either way, I haven’t seen El Puro but I’ll have to check it out now.

@last.caress

it’s a difficult bugger for sure

You’re not wrong there. Even though I like it, it’s definitely not the type of movie I would choose to watch most nights. Not a technically perfect movie either, it definitely feels undevloped at times, but the way it blends the western genre with surrealism is interesting to me.

[last.caress]

@RockyRaccoon

Since it has a forum page , I technically count it

I’m almost positive that it wouldn’t count on this chart because it’s simply not a spaghetti western and our coordinator for this list, the venerable and elderly @Phil_H, is quite rightly a bit of a stickler for his definitions of what qualifies as a spag and what doesn’t. That said, I’m not 100% certain on the rules as they stand; he may indeed allow in any movie which has been granted a dedicated page on the site. I sincerely doubt it, but you never know. If we can gently coax him from his early-afternoon nap he might be able to clarify for us. If he isn’t blind drunk on Cilit Bang and cheese strings as he often is by this time of day, of course.

[Phil_H]

I can confirm that El Topo wouldn’t qualify.
El Puro on the other hand would be very welcome.

Now then, back to my nap.

[QuickDraw (Lewis)]

@last.caress

gently coax him from his early-afternoon nap

[RockyRaccoon]

@last.caress @Phil_H
Ah well, unlike a Spaghetti Western hero, I’ll respect the ruling of our peerless leaders. Actually not such a bad thing if it’s not included since that leaves room for Garringo on my top twenty.

[makesthemovie]

Figured since I did my Official Top 20, I’d do my Alternative as well, I meant to do one at some point in 2021, but totally forgot. The List is part rearranging and part re-haul. Here it goes.

1. E Dio Disse a Caino (And God Said to Cain) - Antonio Margheriti (1969)

2. Il Grande Duello (The Grand Duel) - Giancarlo Santi (1972)

3. Lo Voglio Morto (I Want Him Dead) - Paolo Bianchini (1968)

4. Per il Gusto di Uccidere (Taste of Killing/For the Taste of Killing) - Tonino Valerii (1966)

5. Gentleman Jo… Uccidi (Gentleman Killer) - Giorgio Stegani (as George Finley) (1967)

6. Oggi a Me… Domani a Tei! (Today We Kill, Tomorrow We Die/Today it’s Me, Tomorrow it’s You) - Tonino Cervi (1968)

7. Black Jack - Gianfranco Baldanello (1968)

8. Dio Non Paga il Sabato (Kill the Wickeds!/God Doesn’t Pay on the Sabbath) - Tanio Boccia (as Amerigo Anton) (1967)

9. Ammazzali Tutti e Torna Solo (Kill Them All and Come Back Alone) - Enzo G. Castellari (1968)

10. C’e Sartana… Vendi la Pistola e Comprati la Bara (Sartana’s Here, Trade Your Pistol for a Coffin/I Am Sartana, Trade Your Pistol for a Coffin) - Giuliano Carnimeo (as Antony Ascot) (1970)

11. El Precio de un Hombre (The Bounty Killer/The Ugly Ones/The Price of a Man) -Eugenio Martin (1966)

12. Sette Dollari sul Rosso (Seven Dollars on the Red/7 Dollari sul Rosso/$7 on the Red) - Alberto Cardone (as Albert Cardiff) (1966)

13. Il Mercenario (The Mercenary) (1969)

14. La Morte Non Conta i Dollari (Death at Owell Rock/ Death Doesn’t Count in Dollars) - Riccardo Freda (as George Lincoln) (1967)

15. Una Colt in Pugno al Diavolo (A Colt in the Hand of the Devil/An Angel with a Gun is a Devil) - Sergio Bergonzelli (1967)

16. Minnesota Clay - Sergio Corbucci (1964)

17. Il Tempo Degli Avvolto (Time of Vultures/Last of the Badmen) - Fernando Cicero (as Nando Cicero) (1967)

18. Joko Invoca Dio… e Muori (Vengeance/Joko Invoke God, and Kill) - Antonio Margheriti (as Anthony Dawson) (1968)

19. All’Ombra di una Colt (In a Colt’s Shadow) - Giovanni Grimaldi

20. Acquasanta Joe (Holy Water Joe) - Mario Gariazzo (1971)

[Bill_san_Antonio]

No Gli specialisti?

[makesthemovie]

Gli Specialisti is in my Official Top 20 at #7,

[JohnBaxter]

But the Alternative Top 20 is about listing favorites which are not represented in the SWDB:s official top 20, so Gli specialisti should be eligible for your personal Alternative list.

[stanton]

And Il mercenario not

[Phil_H]

@JohnBaxter

But the Alternative Top 20 is about listing favorites which are not represented in the SWDB:s official top 20, so Gli specialisti should be eligible for your personal Alternative list.

Correct. @makesthemovie you should definitely include any films from your own top 20 that are not currently appearing in the overall Official Top 20. (Or actually top 18 currently)

[Bill_san_Antonio]

To make it simple, this is how you should compile your alternative top20:

1. Make a list of around 30-40 of your favorite spaghetti westerns
2. Post the first 20 on the “Vote for our official top20” topic.
3. Remove these 20 films on our current top20 from your list.
4. If your list now has less than 20 films add more films (once again not from the current top20)
5. Post these 20 on the Alternative Top 20 topic.
6. Stanton and Phil are the judges and the referees when it comes to certain titles and if they’re allowed in the vote or not.

I Hope this helps to clarify things. And hopefully I got it right, not quite sure how it goes now with the titles that are going in and out of the top20 every now and then.

[ElDavido]

1.BANDIDOS
2.ARIZONA COLT
3.THE UGLY ONES
4.THE DIRTY OUTLAWS
5.TODAY IT’S ME, TOMORROW YOU
6.HATE IS MY GOD
7.EL PURO
8.$10 000 DOLLARS FOR A MASSACRE
9.GOD FORGIVES, I DON’T
10.VENGEANCE
11.SHOOT THE LIVING AND PRAY FOR DEAD
12.JOHN THE BASTARD
13.MASSACRE TIME
14.IF YOU MEET SARTANA…
15.GO WITH GOD GRINGO
16.DUEL IN THE ECLIPSE
17.THE SPECIALISTS
18.DJANGO THE BASTARD
19.SONORA
20.ARIZONA ON EARTHstrong text

[Phil_H]

@Bill_san_Antonio

And hopefully I got it right, not quite sure how it goes now with the titles that are going in and out of the top20 every now and then.

Exactly right, Bill. And as a result of the closeness at the bottom of the official top20 I now accept votes for films placed at 19 and 20 there for the Alt Top 20

[Phil_H]

And so now that Brother Stanton has updated the Official Top 20 for the year I will shortly be doing the same for our Alternative Top 20.

Now is the time to add your own list if you haven’t already or to make an update of a previous one if that has changed.

[Carlos]

@Lone_Gringo

1.Sabata
2.Pistoleros
3.Death Rides a Horse
4.Minnesota Clay
5.Hole in the Forehead
6.Vengeance is Mine
7.I Want Him Dead
8.No Room to Die
9.Black Jack
10.The Moment to Kill
11.Dead Men Don’t Count
12.Johnny Yuma
13.Django
14.Long Days of Vengeance
15.May God Forgive You, but I Won’t
16.God in Heaven…Arizona on Earth
17.Day After Tomorrow
18.A Long Ride from Hell
19.Run, Man, Run
20…Gunfight at Red Sands

@Lone_Gringo

New top 20 - that will never be changed.

11-A Minute to Pray, A Second to Die
12-$10.000 For a Massacre
13-El Puro
15-The Last Killer
16-Blood For A Silver Dollar
17-The Bounty Killer
19-Vengeance

Umm, shouldn’t your Alt 20 start with these?

[Bill_san_Antonio]

Also, Death Rides a Horse and Django cannot be included.

[ElDavido]

1.BANDIDOS
2.ARIZONA COLT
3.THE UGLY ONES
4.THE DIRTY OUTLAWS
5.TODAY IT’S ME, TOMORROW YOU
6.HATE IS MY GOD
7.EL PURO
8.$10 000 DOLLARS FOR A MASSACRE
9.GOD FORGIVES, I DON’T
10.VENGEANCE
11.SHOOT THE LIVING AND PRAY FOR DEAD
12.JOHN THE BASTARD
13.MASSACRE TIME
14.HELLBENDERS
15.DUEL IN THE ECLIPSE
16.GO WITH GOD, GRINGO
17.VENGEANCE IS MINE
18.MINNESOTA CLAY
19.DJANGO THE BASTARD
20.CLUMSY HANDS

There’s a lot of honourable mentions, and it’s really on the hair that some of these make it and others not…

[makesthemovie]

And now my revised Alternate Top 20

1. Gli Specialisti (Le Specialiste/The Specialist/The Specialists) - Sergio Corbucci (1969)

2. E Dio Disse a Caino (And God Said to Cain) - Antonio Margheriti (1969)

3. Il Grande Duello (The Grand Duel) - Giancarlo Santi (1972)

4. Lo Voglio Morto (I Want Him Dead) - Paolo Bianchini (1968)

5. Per il Gusto di Uccidere (Taste of Killing/For the Taste of Killing) - Tonino Valerii (1966)

6. Bandidos - Massimo Dallamano (as Max Dillmann) (1967)

7. Gentleman Jo… Uccidi (Gentleman Killer) - Giorgio Stegani (as George Finley) (1967)

8. Oggi a Me… Domani a Tei! (Today We Kill, Tomorrow We Die/Today it’s Me, Tomorrow it’s You) - Tonino Cervi (1968)

9. Black Jack - Gianfranco Baldanello (1968)

10. Dio Non Paga il Sabato (Kill the Wickeds!/God Doesn’t Pay on the Sabbath) - Tanio Boccia (as Amerigo Anton) (1967)

11. Ammazzali Tutti e Torna Solo (Kill Them All and Come Back Alone) - Enzo G. Castellari (1968)

12. C’e Sartana… Vendi la Pistola e Comprati la Bara (Sartana’s Here, Trade Your Pistol for a Coffin/I Am Sartana, Trade Your Pistol for a Coffin) - Giuliano Carnimeo (as Antony Ascot) (1970)

13. El Precio de un Hombre (The Bounty Killer/The Ugly Ones/The Price of a Man) -Eugenio Martin (1966)

14. Sette Dollari sul Rosso (Seven Dollars on the Red/7 Dollari sul Rosso/$7 on the Red) - Alberto Cardone (as Albert Cardiff) (1966)

15. La Morte Non Conta i Dollari (Death at Owell Rock/ Death Doesn’t Count in Dollars) - Riccardo Freda (as George Lincoln) (1967)

16. Una Colt in Pugno al Diavolo (A Colt in the Hand of the Devil/An Angel with a Gun is a Devil) - Sergio Bergonzelli (1967)

17. Minnesota Clay - Sergio Corbucci (1964)

18. Il Tempo Degli Avvolto (Time of Vultures/Last of the Badmen) - Fernando Cicero (as Nando Cicero) (1967)

19. Joko Invoca Dio… e Muori (Vengeance/Joko Invoke God, and Kill) - Antonio Margheriti (as Anthony Dawson) (1968)

20. Acquasanta Joe (Holy Water Joe) - Mario Gariazzo (1971)