Yes, as Bill points out, your Alternative Top 20 should ideally be your 20 favourite films which don’t appear on the official top 20 list. So, if Blindman and Minute to Pray are Top 20 films for you but they don’t appear on the official list then put them in your Alternative list too. They should absolutely be there. Meanwhile, any film which is in the official Top 20 can’t be in anyone’s Alternative list. So Cemetery Without Crosses has to go.
I won’t add your list to the database until you’ve had time to have another go.
BLINDMAN
$10,000 FOR A MASSACRE
A MINUTE TO PRAY, SECOND TO DIE (118 min. version)
STRANGER IN TOWN
I WANT HIM DEAD
DEAD MEN RIDE
JOHNNY YUMA
LIGHT THE FUSE - SARTANA
TRADE YOUR PISTOL FOR A COFFIN - SARTANA
PISTOLEROS (GHIDRA, INFANTE)
VENGEANCE IS MINE
NEST OF VIPERS
HATE FOR HATE
ADIOS, SABATA
THE STRANGER RETURNS
SPARA, GRINGO, SPARA
COMIN’ AT YA!
A MAN CALLED HALLELUJAH
FURY OF JOHNNY THE KID
KILL THE WICKED
Yes, at least Return of Ringo was not in the top 20 when Phil started the thing, and the first Sartana was in instead, or maybe Sabata or Blindman. These 3 were in sometimes, before the Returned Ringo occupied the spot.
I think we decided to stay with the top 20 one can find now in the first post of this thread, which is still the current one, and even if Run Man Run falls out one day, which RMR didn’t in the last years (despite it being sometimes pretty close), we keep RMR for the alternative top 20.
That’s right. Return of Ringo replaced Sabata in the Top 20 not long after we started doing the Alt Top 20. I think we just swapped their places at the time and then some people updated their lists so there was some adjustments. It was early enough that it didn’t make much difference. It would be more of an issue if it were to happen now but suspect we would do something similar.
Ok, then we (the forum members) probably did not “decide to stay with the top 20 one can find now in the first post of this thread, and even if Run Man Run falls out one day, we keep RMR for the alternative top 20”?
I think so yes.
It’s a lot more complicated than it was at the beginning because we now have almost 60 submitted Alt Top 20 lists whereas when Return of Ringo and Sabata were changing places we only had about a dozen or so. Subsequently we talked about changing the rules to allow votes for any film not in the top 19 of the official top 20 but to be honest that kind of got forgotten so Run Man Run has had 11 years without being eligible for any votes and it obviously would have got quite a few even if it’s impossible to know exactly how many.
So I think if and when it drops out of the official Top 20 I might “award” it the same points as whichever film replaces it and then ask everyone to consider resubmitting a new Alt Top 20 if they want to. That would allow me to adjust RMR points according to whether it gets included in new lists or not.
I’ll also keep all votes for any upwardly mobile films which take it’s place in the official top 20 for future reference. I suspect that there will be a bit of movement in that 20th spot over the coming months/years as Sartana and Blindman and RMR are all pretty close.
Maybe I’m being a bit slow here, but are you saying that an individual has to submit a top 20 that’s really already been decided , give or take ?
I’m not really into top 20 lists … but wouldn’t it be better to just nominate what appeals to you at that moment.
It’s pretty boring and predictable to see Leone, Leone, Cobucci, Sollima, Leone, time and again.
Hmm, but the alternative top 20 is that already to a large extent. 13 of the 20 not eligible films are by the Sergios. All 6 Leones, all 3 Sollimas and from Corbucci his 4 doubtless most important Spags. And the other Corbuccis belong really in the alternative category, are not on that level. (Well actually imo I don’t think that any Sollima is either on that level )
I don’t see much surprises that a 3rd list, of a similar kind to the 2 existing ones, could offer.
1.Bandidos
2.Arizona Colt
3.The Ugly Ones
4.The Dirty Outlaws
5.Vengeance
6.El Puro
7.$10 000 Blood Money
8.God Forgives, I Don’t
9.Massacre Time
10.$1000 On the Black
11.John the Bastard
12.I Want Him Dead
13.Requiem For a Gringo
14.Vengeance is Mine
15.Go With God, Gringo
16.Sartana Does Not Forgive
17.Texas Adios
18.When Satan Grips the Colt
19.This Man Can’t Die
20.The Hangman’s Tree
That’s exactly what the Alternative Top 20 was designed for.
You choose your 20 favourite films that don’t already appear in the official Top 20. As Stanton says, that automatically takes out all the Leones, currently all the Sollimas and the four obvious Corbuccis. And the scoring system of 1 point for every film named means that it doesn’t matter if something would move from 5th to 12th in your list at any one time. The only time you’d need to update your submission would be if you change your mind completely and want to substitute a completely new film for one previously chosen.
This means that the Alt Top 20 changes more often than the official one but still remains surprisingly stable. It’s changed more than the official top 20 over the past 13 years but really not that much. Which I’m happy about. It means that any film on the list can be genuinely recommended to a relative newcomer.
1.El Puro Eduardo Mulalrgia 1969
2.Days of vengeance Florestini Vancini 1967
3.Black Jack Gianfranco Baldanello 1968
4.A minute to pray a second to die Franco Giraldi 1968
5.Blindman Ferdinando Baldi 1971
6.Massacre time Lucio Fulci 1966
7.And god said to Cain Antonio Margheriti 1970
8.The ugly ones Eugenio Martin 1966
9.California Michele Lupo 1977
10.10.000$ blood money Romolo Guerrieri 1967
11.Tepepa Giulio Petroni 1969
12.The forgotten pistolero Ferdinando Baldi 1969
13. Johnny Hamlet Enzo Castellari 1968
14.The specialists Sergio Corbucci 1969
15.One after another Nick Nostro 1968
16.Cost of dying Sergio Merolle 1968
17.Taste of vengeance Mario Siciliano 1969
18.Dead men ride Aldo Florio 1971
19.God forgives I don’t Giuseppe Colizzi 1967
20.Vengeance Antonio Margheriti 1968
Above is my old Alternate Top 20, and here is the current version (with particularly appreciated composers also listed) :
1, Dead Men Ride/At The End Of The Rainbow/ (Aldo Florio) music Bruno Nicolai
2. Requiem For A Gringo/Duel In Eclipse (Eugenio Martín, José Luis Merino) music Angelo Lavagnino
3. Johnny Yuma (Romolo Guerrieri)
4. Kill The Wicked/ God Does Not Pay On Saturday (Tanio Boccia) music Angelo Lavagnino
5. The Stranger Returns/A Man, A Horse, A Gun (Luigi Vanzi) music Stelvio Cipriani
6. Viva Django / Django, Prepare A Coffin (Ferdinando Baldi)
7. The Grand Duel (Giancarlo Santi)
8. Sabata (Gianfranco Parolini)
9. The Forgotten Pistolero/Gunman Of Ave Maria (Ferdinando Baldi) music Roberto Pregadio
10. Ramon The Mexican (Maurizio Pradeaux) music Felice Di Stefano
11. My Name Is Pecos (Maurizio Lucidi) music Coriolano Gori
12. Johnny Hamlet/The Wild And The Dirty (Enzo G. Castellari)
13. Death Sentence (Mario Lanfranchi)
14. No Room To Die/Hanging For Django/A Noose For Django (Sergio Garrone)
15. Requiescant/Kill And Pray (Carlo Lizzani)
16. A Stranger In Town/A Dollar Between The Teeth (Luigi Vanzi)
17, A Hole In The ForeHead/ A Hole Between The Eyes (Giuseppe Vari) music Roberto Pregadio
18. El Puro/The Reward’s Yours… The Man’s Mine (Edoardo Mulargia) music Alessandro Alessandroni
19, Black Jack (Gianfranco Baldanello)
20. Blood At Sundown/One Thousand Dollars on the Black (Alberto Cardone) music Michele Lacerenza
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