Alternative Top 20

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And duly adjusted runner

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Btw now that we got a new Top 20 from a new member, and checking your alternative top 20, the circumstances and the “Comitee for bringing El puro in the Top 20” demands from you your not-alternative Top 20: Vote for Our Official Top 20 - #3013 by stanton :wink:

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It’s gonna be my great pleasure helping out

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The old one:

The updated one:

  1. I quattro dell’apocalisse, Lucio Fulci (1975)
  2. La banda J. & S. cronaca criminale del Far West, Sergio Corbucci (1972)
  3. Tepepa, Giulio Petroni (1968)
  4. California, Michele Lupo (1977)
  5. Prega il morto e ammazza il vivo, Giuseppe Vari (1971)
  6. Una pistola per Ringo, Duccio Tessari (1965)
  7. La taglia è tua… l’uomo l’ammazzo io, Edoardo Mulargia (1969)
  8. Requiem para el gringo, José Luis Merino (1968)
  9. Arizona Colt, Michele Lupo (1966)
  10. Se incontri Sartana prega per la tua morte, Gianfranco Parolini (1968)
  11. Gli Specialisti, Sergio Corbucci (1969)
  12. Black Jack, Gianfranco Baldanello (1968)
  13. Blindman, Ferdinando Baldi (1971)
  14. C’è Sartana… vendi la pistola e comprati la bara, Giuliano Carnimeo (1970)
  15. Un uomo, un cavallo, una pistola, Luigi Vanzi (1967)
  16. Buon funerale, amigos!.. paga Sartana, Giuliano Carnimeo (1970)
  17. Oggi a me… domani a te!, Tonino Cervi (1968)
  18. Dio non paga il sabato, Tanio Boccia (1967)
  19. L’ultimo killer, Giuseppe Vari (1967)
  20. Quel caldo maledetto giorno di fuoco, Paolo Bianchini (1968)
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I’ll be doing my usual New Year’s update of the Alternative Top 20 soon so if anyone wants to submit a list for the first time now’s your chance.

Also, if any of you who have already submitted a list want to update please go ahead but please please please include your old list too so I can make the adjustments without trolling back to find old lists.

Cheers

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My old list, which hasn’t changed in five years:

And my new one:

  1. Requiescant (Kill And Pray) (Carlo Lizzani, 1967)
  2. Réquiem para el gringo (Requiem For Gringo) (José Luis Merino, 1968)
  3. Mannaja (A Man Called Blade) (Sergio Martino, 1977)
  4. La taglia è tua… l’uomo l’ammazzo io (El Puro) (Edoardo Mulargia, 1969)
  5. Se incontri Sartana prega per la tua morte (If You Meet Sartana, Pray For Your Death) (Gianfranco Parolini, 1968)
  6. Oggi a me… domani a te! (Today It’s Me… Tomorrow You!) (Tonino Cervi, 1968)
  7. Sentenza di morte (Death Sentence) (Mario Lanfranchi, 1968)
  8. 10.000 dollari per un massacro (10,000 Dollars For a Massacre) (Romolo Guerrieri, 1967)
  9. I Crudeli (The Hellbenders) (Sergio Corbucci, 1967)
  10. California (Michele Lupo, 1977)
  11. Il pistolero dell’Ave Maria (The Forgotten Pistolero) (Ferdinando Baldi, 1969)
  12. Il prezzo del potere (The Price of Power) (Tonino Valerii, 1969)
  13. Buon funerale, amigos!.. paga Sartana (Have a Good Funeral, My Friend… Sartana Will Pay) (Giuliano Carnimeo, 1970)
  14. Un minuto per pregare, un istante per morire (A Minute to Pray, a Second to Die) (Franco Giraldi, 1968)
  15. Il grande duello (The Grand Duel) (Giancarlo Santi, 1972)
  16. Joko invoca Dio… e muori (Vengeance) (Antonio Margheriti, 1968)
  17. Navajo Joe (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
  18. Sono Sartana, Il vostro becchino (I am Sartana, Your Angel of Death) (Giuliano Carnimeo, 1968)
  19. Bandidos (Massimo Dallamano, 1967)
  20. Quella sporca storia nel West (Johnny Hamlet) (Enzo Castellari, 1968)

I don’t know how you’re going to go about excising If You Meet Sartana… Pray For Your Death from the chart so I just figured I’d leave it in my list at least until you decide what you’re going to do. If you need me to remove it from my list and provide an alternative in anticipation of If You Meet Sartana’s ascension to the Big 20, let me know.

The imminent eligibility of Run, Man, Run won’t be an issue for my list; I think it’s a very mediocre film.

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I guess I will, but I don’t know and cannot until the Essential top 20 is updated.

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Hi, Phil, after stanton reminded me to post my top 20 list, I also compiled my alternative list. Here it is –

  1. Edoardo Mulargia, La taglia è tua … l’uomo l’ammazzo io, 1969

  2. Joaquín Luis Romero Marchent, Fedra West, 1968

  3. Armando Crispino, John il bastardo, 1967

  4. Alfonso Balcázar, ¡Viva Carrancho!, 1965

  5. Giancarlo Santi, Il grande duello, 1972

  6. Nick Nostro, Uno dopo l’altro, 1968

  7. Gian Rocco, Giarrettiera Colt, 1968

  8. Mario Caiano, Un treno per Durango, 1968

  9. Gianni Puccini, Dove si spara di più, 1967

  10. Giuliano Carnimeo, Joe … cercati un posto per morire! , 1968

  11. Joaquín Luis Romero Marchent, Condenados a vivir, 1971

  12. Mario Bava, Roy Colt & Winchester Jack, 1970

  13. Mario Caiano, Il mio nome è Shangai Joe, 1973

  14. Massimo Dallamano, Bandidos, 1967

  15. Piero Cristofani, Lina Wertmüller, Il mio corpo per un poker / The Belle Starr Story, 1968

  16. Sergio Merolle, Quanto costa morire, 1968

  17. Siro Marcellini, Lola Colt: Faccia a faccia con El Diablo, 1967

  18. Tonino Ricci, Monta in sella, figlio di …!, 1972

  19. Maurizio Lucidi, Due once di piombo, 1966

  20. Ferdinando Baldi, Il pistolero dell’Ave Maria, 1969

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Alternative list seems still to be confusing. You can and should have some same titles in your both list, top20 and alternative20.

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Why would I include a film in both lists? Or what do you mean?

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He means that if you don’t have exactly the same 20 films on your own Top 20 as the official Top 20 then those other on your own Top 20 also should be included in your Alternate Top 20.

So the more your own Top 20 differ from the official one, the more your own Top 20 should ressemble your own Alternate Top 20, regarding WHICH films are included on the respective lists.

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And that’s exactly what I did.

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Not allowed are only the Spags of the forum’s Top 20, but films in your personal top 20, which are not in the forum’s Top 20, should be automatically in your Alternative Top 20. Like Tepepa, to name one of 8 from your Top 20.

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It should basically be a list of your favourite Westerns, excluding any/all of those Westerns which appear in the SWDB top twenty. So, looking at your personal twenty favourites which you submitted to the official top twenty thread, your first eight movies were all in our SWDB top twenty, but your ninth-favourite movie is Tepepa, which doesn’t appear in the SWDB top twenty. Ergo, Tepepa is your highest rated movie which does not appear in the SWDB top twenty, logically making it the number one movie in your Alternative top 20. :+1:

In fact, just looking at your top twenty list which you submitted on the official top twenty thread, we can ascertain the first eight entries for your alternative top twenty:

  1. Tepepa
  2. God Forgives… I Don’t
  3. Navajo Joe
  4. The Hellbenders
  5. What am I Doing in the Middle of the Revolution?
  6. The Specialists
  7. Requiescant
  8. The Ugly Ones
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Well put …

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Exactly that.
Don’t worry @Companero_M, this seems to confuse lots of people.
I’ll have to look over my wording and see if I can make it clearer to all.

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Thank you, @Bill_san_Antonio, @last.caress, @Phil_H, @runner, and @stanton, now I get it. Second try –

  1. Giulio Petroni, Tepepa, 1969

  2. Giuseppe Colizzi, Dio perdona … io no!, 1967

  3. Sergio Corbucci, Navajo Joe, 1966

  4. Sergio Corbucci, I crudeli, 1967

  5. Sergio Corbucci, Che c’entriamo noi con la rivoluzione?, 1972

  6. Sergio Corbucci, Gli specialisti, 1969

  7. Carlo Lizzani, Requiescant, 1967

  8. Eugenio Martín, El precio de un hombre, 1966

  9. Edoardo Mulargia, La taglia è tua … l’uomo l’ammazzo io, 1969

  10. Joaquín Luis Romero Marchent, Fedra West, 1968

  11. Armando Crispino, John il bastardo, 1967

  12. Alfonso Balcázar, ¡Viva Carrancho!, 1965

  13. Giancarlo Santi, Il grande duello, 1972

  14. Nick Nostro, Uno dopo l’altro, 1968

  15. Gian Rocco, Giarrettiera Colt, 1968

  16. Mario Caiano, Un treno per Durango, 1968

  17. Gianni Puccini, Dove si spara di più, 1967

  18. Giuliano Carnimeo, Joe … cercati un posto per morire!, 1968

  19. Joaquín Luis Romero Marchent, Condenados a vivir, 1971

  20. Mario Bava, Roy Colt & Winchester Jack, 1970

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All good, Companero_M and added to the over all list now. :slightly_smiling_face:

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OK. With the recent change to our Official Top 20 now seems like the perfect time for everyone to reassess their Alternative Top 20 lists and update them with that change in mind.

But, because Run Man Run and If You Meet Sartana, Pray For your Death are so close in the Official list I am changing the rules for the Alternate Top 20 submissions to try and future proof the list.

So, As of now, you can include in your Alternative Top 20 any film not currently appearing in the Top 18 spots on the Official Top 20.

That means you can vote for any film except one of the following:

|1| The Good, the Bad, the Ugly
|2| Once Upon a Time in the West
|3| For a Few Dollars More
|4| The Great Silence
|5| The Big Gundown
|6| Django
|7| A Fistful of Dollars
|8| The Mercenary
|9| Companeros
|10| Death Rides a Horse
|11| Face to Face
|12| Duck, You Sucker!
|13| A Bullet for the General
|14| Day of Anger
|15| Keoma
|16| Cemetery Without Crosses
|17| The Return of Ringo
|18| My Name is Nobody

This means that not only can you now vote for Run Man Run and Sartana, you can also vote for Django Kill! too. Only the film sitting outside the Official Top 20 will appear in our published Alternative Top 20 list but votes will be collected and saved for the others in case one of them drops out at some time in the future.

I daresay this may be a little confusing for some but if you just work on the basis that you can vote for any film except those 18 listed above (even if you have previously included them in your own top 20) you should be fine.

So, go on, submit a list now. Either an update of your previous one or a brand spanking new one if you’re a newbie.

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Then my new Alternate Top 20 is as follows (with directors names and good music composers also stated).

1, Django Kill If You Live Shoot (Giulio Questi) music Ivan Vandor
2. Dead Men Ride/At The End Of The Rainbow / (Aldo Florio) music Bruno Nicolai
3. Requiem For A Gringo/Duel In Eclipse (Eugenio Martín, José Luis Merino) music Angelo Lavagnino
4. Johnny Yuma (Romolo Guerrieri)
5. Kill The Wicked/ God Does Not Pay On Saturday (Tanio Boccia) music Angelo Lavagnino
6. The Stranger Returns/A Man, A Horse, A Gun (Luigi Vanzi) music Stelvio Cipriani
7. Viva Django / Django, Prepare A Coffin (Ferdinando Baldi)
8. The Grand Duel (Giancarlo Santi)
9. Sabata (Gianfranco Parolini)
10. The Forgotten Pistolero/Gunman Of Ave Maria (Ferdinando Baldi) music Roberto Pregadio
11. Ramon The Mexican (Maurizio Pradeaux) music Felice Di Stefano
12. My Name Is Pecos (Maurizio Lucidi) music Coriolano Gori
13. Johnny Hamlet/The Wild And The Dirty (Enzo G. Castellari)
14. Death Sentence (Mario Lanfranchi)
15. No Room To Die/Hanging For Django/A Noose For Django (Sergio Garrone)
16. Requiescant/Kill And Pray (Carlo Lizzani)
17. A Stranger In Town/A Dollar Between The Teeth (Luigi Vanzi)
18. A Hole In The ForeHead/ A Hole Between The Eyes (Giuseppe Vari) music Roberto Pregadio
19. El Puro/The Reward’s Yours… The Man’s Mine (Edoardo Mulargia) music Alessandro Alessandroni
20. The Dirty Outlaws/ El desperado (Franco Rossetti) music Gianni Ferrio

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