A Reason to Live, a Reason to Die / Una ragione per vivere e una per morire (Tonino Valerii, 1972)

Review this one after seeing it still in a VHS rented in the video club in the last century, shit I do must be getting old, (or wiser) really liked back then, not so much now, maybe I just wasn’t so demanding in youth

Story/Script
Another SW taking place during the Civil War. It’s a nice variation on the The Dirty dozen, which was already a take on a Corman film The Secret Invasion. The story is not well developed and it’s focused in Bud Spencer character, all the other mates in the film have little space even Coburn (contrary to the Dirty dozen). It also seemed to me that the film is heavily influenced by the Wild Bunch, at least in
What concern to scenes and scenario.
I might start to sound boring with this stuff but it’s stronger than me ;D, for 1862 there are a lot of Gatling Guns around, a type of weapon that Mr Gatling never sold to the Confederate side, and in case only saw action at the end of the war in a few final battles, but OK I’ve seen worst things like helicopters being dragged by trains inside tunnels.
The American civil war was mostly an East coast war, the Central and West states were largely a secondary scenario (and mostly troop suppliers, after the initial battles) but many films are focused on it like Major Dundee, Indians, isolated forts and the presence of a French Army in Mexico, sure did help the fact of making interesting scripts.

Actors
This is mostly a film a Bud Spencer film, strange to say this, there are two of the actors that I most like, not just for their acting abilities, but mostly because I really sympathize with them, Coburn and Savalas, (Coburn walking just seems the guy is in a passarelle), but in this one they both were most certainly between jobs. Savalas must have done his lines in a day, and Coburn was in auto mode, they were in it only for the pay check I guess. Spencer does have a not so normal role for him and he goes quite well, the rest were all SW regular (except Kolldehoff) that were there to die.

Director/Cinematography
It’s one of those films that it’s no use to say it could have in better, not worth that discussion, Valerii was no Leone, and this was not suppose to be a super masterpiece also. In the first scene he does try to make something come out of a Leone film, but he doesn’t have great success on that. I did like the detail of having on of the guys hanged, the one most similar to Savalas character in Dirty Dozen a nice touch, and very sphagetti like. The final scene when Coburn kills his nemesis, its done in a very clumsy and unsatisfactory way, a summary to the film I suppose, also the choice of a start by the ending, does not do film any good, it works like a promise for an epic film, that it just can’t keep, also the all dead Coburn son angle, could have been more explored IMO. To be honest I’m not a great Valerri fan.

Conclusion
Average stuff for me not totally bad, but not good either, the American stars were in auto pilot, and the real stars it ends up to be Spencer, I don’t know why you have an actor like Savalas in a film, and making him do so little. There are some scenes like the one in the farm from the ā€œMasonā€ family type, or the one with the spilled beans. that could be real strong but are too soft, with no soul like the all film.
But at least it’s not a total bore, and it’s easy to follow it to the end, the answer to spaghetti those days relied elsewhere it did have Bud Spencer all right.
Notice some atrocities in Spanish subtitles like Looters being Lutherans and others. Didn’t notice the score
Three regular stars

Yeah 3 stars (Coburn, Spencer, Savalas).
But what’s your rating?

[quote=ā€œStanton, post:82, topic:468ā€]Yeah 3 stars (Coburn, Spencer, Savalas).
But what’s your rating?[/quote]

Ah Sorry, from 0 to 5

Ehhh, no, … read again :wink:

I rather like James Coburn

[quote=ā€œscherpschutterā€]Still haven’t gathered enough energy and courage to watch a complete version of this turkey

Saw the shorter version a few times on German television, and I don’t think a few extra scenes will help this film
You never know, but in this case I have serious doubts

I’m not really a fan of any of these stars, by the way.[/quote]

Well… this is a top 10 in my book:

[quote=ā€œp.pereira, post:86, topic:468ā€]Well… this is a top 10 in my book:

http://por-um-punhado-de-euros.blogspot.com/2010/06/os-spaghettis-da-minha-vida-pedro.html[/quote]

Well, we can’t always love the same things …

Still, it surprises me a little that opinions (of people who love the genre) can differ that much about a film like this. I don’t like, for instance, El Puro, but I can understand that some others do, it’s an outrageous movie, and outrageous movies provoke extreme reactions. But this movie is by no means outrageous, I found it, on the contrary, pretty ā€˜unexceptional’.

Btw: I like the other nine from your Top 10, and can even live with your joker

Well Spencer shows here that he wasn’t really what people tend to call an actor.
Telly, ok
But Scherp, I’m interested to hear what is wrong iyho with Coburn?

[quote=ā€œStanton, post:88, topic:468ā€]Well Spencer shows here that he wasn’t really what people tend to call an actor.
Telly, ok
But Scherp, I’m interested to hear what is wrong iyho with Coburn?[/quote]

There’s nothing wrong with him, decent actor, but not a special favourite of mine

Ahh ok, for a moment I feared you were the first man on the planet who dislikes him …

Coburn full of class to me, he was in any case far very far from the set of the film.
Dislike and not a special favourite yap, I do have some not special favourite for no particular reason Peck, Heston, Pacino.

Miss Coburns voice on the english dub in the longer version.

There’s a longuer version!!! What happens Savalas appear more? ;D

Bolas! This is a excellent action flick.
I think most of you german speakers were so shocked about your comedian dubs, that you can watch it nowadays without thinking of the stupid gags.

Uau Pereira got the Gatling Gun ;D better watch out (mostly me that live near by ;D)

I don’t think that even in the action department the film is that good, apart from Spencer, Coburn and Savalas are in the film like if they were doing a favour to us, and action only exits ewhen Spencer reaches the fort and even so, most of the time his taking a leak, or lauching a rope, and for a moment you think you’re watching the Wild Bunch. ā€œYou know the procedures of Surrenderā€ that’s no phrase for a Spag, Valerii even turns Savalas into a sissy.
Sorry to Say but the Almeria fort has seen better use, for instance in Terence Young Amazons or Le guerriere dal seno nudo, at least there were Helga Line, Sabinne Sun, Alena Johnson inside it.

I know that most of the board hate it, nevertheless I beg to differ. The last fifteen minutes are pure killing time.
It is not the best flick of Valerii but still it means a lot to me. I remember when I first saw the trailer on some VHS and the effort I took to find it. So… top 10.
Valerii is the man! :-X

[quote=ā€œp.pereira, post:96, topic:468ā€]I know that most of the board hate it, nevertheless I beg to differ. The last fifteen minutes are pure killing time.
It is not the best flick of Valerii but still it means a lot to me. I remember when I first saw the trailer on some VHS and the effort I took to find it. So… top 10.
Valerii is the man! :-X[/quote]

Well I also liked when I saw it for the first time.

You bought it too campanheiro, so I guess you still do. At least a little. :stuck_out_tongue:

Evaluating the whole genre … considering the average quality of such films … can anyone say this is a bad movie?

For instance, consider this. I’ve just watch and review first Sartana film, If You Meet Sartana, Pray for Your Death (you can check my blog if you wish too). I think it is a great action flick, still mediocre within the genre, when compared with Leone’s/Solimma’s/Corbucci’s. Now which rate did it get on our official top? That’s right: 23 with amazing 232 points. Whooo! Should such a meaningless flick bypass - for example - And God Said to Cain (rated 31)?

My point. Everything is subjective, even with elaborated ratings, cause in the end what counts is the personal likes of everyone!

Yes, almost everything is subjective (even two portugueses guys that live 30km from each other, discussing films in english on a forum ;D), I bought it because it got Coburn, also remember to liked when I saw it, and I’m a completist (or I was with this crisis ;D) but after so many years watching and discussing films I really can say this one it’s good film because to me it’s not. A good film iwould be, let’s say The five man army, just to be on similar ground (American Stars, Spencer etc) cool Zapata script some nice action scenes, commited actors, and a great score, this one got nothing or almost nothing of that.

But you gave it 3 stars (of a handful)