Some very good thoughts there Stanton. I’m in agreement with your views.
And I agree about the art/entertainment argument. All I was trying to convey in my post, was that most spaghettis completely bypass any judgment as works of art. I personally consider most spaghettis as art in some form, if not as a whole, but most people aren’t trying to rate a spaghetti on its success as artwork.
[quote=“Stanton, post:880, topic:190”]One of the interesting things about OuTW is that many people who are bored by the film while watching it for the first time, then later suddenly begin to love it. Me too.
Another point is that many people are fascinated by this film, who otherwise would never watch these type of extremely slow moving films. 2001 is another example from the same time.[/quote]
As another side, I’ve loved OUATITW since the first viewing, it immediately resonated with me. As I stated in a different thread, I really think there is something to this film that someone like myself can immediately latch on to and understand… I’m not trying to say that on any level other than a feeling type thing, so I hope its not coming across the wrong way
2001 is one that did not work for me in the beginning though… it probably didn’t help that the first time I saw 2001 was when I was a young lad, without understanding for such material… but still, I can’t sit through this one too often, without the proper… motivation. Anyone watched the ending sequence with Pink Floyd’s Meddle? They actually made this album with Stanley Kubrick for the film, from what I understand… quite flabbergasting
It’s not so much that I think OUATITW is boring or slow, most of Leone’s films are slow
It’s that I think it’s a little ridiculous and arty-farty
I’m not moved by it, although the film tries very hard to be moving
Some scenes are embarrassing, like Jack Elam and that fly in the barrel
The red-headed Irish family in the beginning look kind of comical
The dialogue is so bad and corny sounding many times
It doesn’t work for me, it’s not a great film
GBU is Leone’s masterpiece in my opinion
And there are many other spaghetti westerns that have artistic qualities aswell
And apologies if anybody here happen to have red hair
It’s not the red hair in itself, it’s their hair-do’s
And they just look stupid together
And/Or is Irish 
I’m Irish and I can confirm there are actualy people like that over in the West of the country. Too much inbreeding…
You see, GBU is my least favorite Leone, and I find it to be slow and boring in parts
[quote=“Lindberg, post:884, topic:190”]And apologies if anybody here happen to have red hair
It’s not the red hair in itself, it’s their hair-do’s
And they just look stupid together[/quote]
I’m a redhead and I just look stupid on my own …
I am curious to know if anyone else has seen this, or knows if its actually true that they worked with Kubrick making the album specifically for the film… it is done very well
Hey, those are my relatives you are talking about.
I don’t think this is true
I only remember Roger Waters once said he would have liked to write the score for 2001, I’ve never heard nor read that they actually have worked with Kubrick
Echoes, the longest track from Meddle was used for a ballet in France, I don’t know if it was specifically written for it.
Meddle was made in 71 or 72, long after Kubrick’s film.
hahahah!
You know, now that I hear the name Echoes I believe this was the track… its been a long time since I watched it with the album so I can’t remember if it was the whole album or just that track… but I think it was the last half hour of the movie, or around that… and it fits perfectly. I read somewhere that they worked with Kubrick on this, but I don’t remember where… guess I’ll try to look up some info and see what that’s all about.
from wiki…
The members of the band always denied that the synchronization was intentional. Furthermore, the technology to play back film in a recording studio circa 1971 would have been expensive and difficult for the band to acquire. Roger Waters is sometimes quoted as saying that the band’s failure to contribute music on 2001’s official score was his “greatest regret”
hmmm… so I guess that answers that. Still pretty cool, and pretty amazing coincidence that it works so well, in my opinion. There are videos on youtube, if interested…
anyway, /end topic sidetrack
Right
And besides, when 2001 was made, Pink Floyd still were some kind of underground band, and I don’t think Kubrick was interested in them, or their music from that period. For this reason - underground related band - Antonioni wanted to have their music on the soundtrack of Zarbriskie Point. I know they wrote several songs for the movie, but Antonioni only used a fragment of one track, Careful with that axe, Eugene (for the film’s finale). The track can be found on ‘Relics’, but is better know in the live version of Umma Gumma
I never thought they worked together in the making of the film itself, but I thought it was possible that maybe it was an after the fact kind of thing… like perhaps Kubrick liked what they were doing and wanted them to put something like that together, an unofficial project type thing
or the other way around, Floyd liked Kubrick and contacted him about doing it…
[quote=“scherpschutter, post:895, topic:190”]Right
And besides, when 2001 was made, Pink Floyd still were some kind of underground band, and I don’t think Kubrick was interested in them, or their music from that period. For this reason - underground related band - Antonioni wanted to have their music on the soundtrack of Zarbriskie Point. I know they wrote several songs for the movie, but Antonioni only used a fragment of one track, Careful with that axe, Eugene (for the film’s finale). The track can be found on ‘Relics’, but is better know in the live version of Umma Gumma[/quote]
I think this is wrong.
They didn’t used Careful for ZP, but instead wrote a similar sounding track which you can hear over the complete slo mo explosions end. And I think there are 2 more PF songs in the film, both with lyrics.
But I’m not excactly sure. All 3 songs are on the soundtrack and otherwise unreleased.
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DISCLAIMER
I’ve put together a top 50 hoping that the top 20 will eventually be expanded…
This list is compiled in order of enjoyment, rather than artistic or technical merit…
Most of the films have only been viewed once, so this list will change substantially once the majority of films are re-viewed.[/center]
01 - Good, The Bad And The Ugly, The
02 - For A Few Dollars More
03 - Fistful Of Dollars, A
04 - Keoma
05 - Death Rides A Horse
06 - Django
07 - Four Of The Apocalypse
08 - 10,000 Dollars Blood Money
09 - If You Meet Sartana, Pray For Your Death
10 - I Am Sartana, Your Angel Of Death / Sartana The Gravedigger
11 - I Want Him Dead
12 - Blindman
13 - Once Upon A Time In The West
14 - Vengeance Is Mine / One Hundred Thousand Dollars Per Killing
15 - Specialist, The / Specialists
16 - Big Gundown, The
17 - Great Silence, The
18 - Man: His Pride And His Vengeance
19 - And God Said To Cain…
20 - Forgotten Pistolero, The
21 - Revenge For Revenge / Vengeance For Vengeance
22 - Cut-Throats Nine
23 - Matalo!
24 - Sabata
25 - Have A Good Funeral, My Friend… Sartana Will Pay
26 - Cemetery Without Crosses
27 - Grand Duel, The / Big Showdown, The
28 - My Name Is Nobody
29 - Mercenary, The / Professional Gun, A
30 - Day Of Anger
31 - No Room To Die / Noose For Django
32 - Light The Fuse… Sartana Is Coming
33 - Beyond The Law
34 - Johnny Yuma
35 - Vengeance
36 - Shoot, Gringo… Shoot!
37 - Garringo
38 - God Forgives… I Don’t!
39 - Moment To Kill, The
40 - Gun For One Hundred Graves, A / Pistol For A Hundred Coffins, A
41 - Trinity Is Still My Name
42 - My Name Is Trinity
43 - Face To Face
44 - Compañeros
45 - Django, Kill… If You Live, Shoot!
46 - Puro, El
47 - Black Jack
48 - Bandidos
49 - Kill And Pray / Requiescant
50 - Django, Prepare A Coffin / Viva Django
[quote=“Romaine Fielding, post:864, topic:190”]Heehee. Well, to me it is a work of art. And as much as I love the other Spags on my list they do not arc so highly. OUATITW has ascended out of the genre and has become a point of light in the sky, much like Little Rita.
But, I’d say, 8 of 10 times, if given the choice, I’d watch Hole in the Forehead over OUATITW.[/quote]OUATITW is very hard to watch because it is soooo big. You really have to dedicate yourself every time you watch it. Not to mention how long it is. It is like 10 movies.
Ok, this is my tentative list. Some of these i’ve only seen once and am bound to reassess, plus there are some biggies i haven’t seen yet. I’m putting the Leone’s at the top and then doing 20 more.
FFoD
GBU
FaFDM
1 - THE GREAT SILENCE - good bleak fun
2 - THE MERCENARY - damn near perfect
3 - …AND GOD SAID TO CAIN - full on Kinski with a stormy backdrop
4 - ACE HIGH - favorite Hill and Spencer with Wallach to boot
5 - COMPANEROS - Nero, Milian and Palance fun
6 - IF YOU MEET SARTANA…PRAY FOR YOUR DEATH - I am your pallbearer
7 - MASSACRE TIME - Hilton and Nero kickin’ butt
8 - GOD FORGIVES…I DON’T - great first from Colizzi
9 - Django - plays great for friends who aren’t SW fans
10 - MINNESOTA CLAY - Cameron Mitchell full on bad-ass
11 - A BULLET FOR THE GENERAL - Zapata fun
12 - KEOMA - hard to believe Castellari did TEDEUM
13 - A TOWN CALLED HELL - love this off-kilter flick
14 - THE BIG GUNDOWN - LVC at his best
15 - NAVAJO JOE - can’t get that song outta my head
16 - SHOOT THE LIVING AND PRAY FOR THE DEAD - PETRIFIED FOREST goes SW
17 - CUT-THROATS NINE - mean-spirited fun
18 - DJANGO KILL - it’s always fun when the dead get revenge
19 - HELLBENDERS - and now, something different from Corbucci
20 - CAPTAIN APACHE - more fun than a barrel full of Trinity’s