The Last Western You Watched? ver.2.0


Jeremiah Johnson - 4/5
The Tall T - 3/5

(titoli) #182

Forsaken (2015)

It seems every western cliche is squeezed in this. Gunman who wants to give up the guns. Hero returning from war. His love married someone else. Father/son issues. Big money vs small man. Railroad coming to town. Gang of hired hands terrorizing the town. Lone protector will stand for a small man and ride of into the sunset. Gunman dressed as Doc Holiday/Lee van Cleef.

Ok, the last cliche - duel in the street - was sabotaged in rare moment of playfulness, but not before the whole shootout scene from Unforgiven was recreated, with more bullets and less cool, and with Kiefer Sutherland doing one of the worst Clint’s impression I’ve seen (he puts his coat on, holds it like he us about to flash a woman on the street and raises a mean old look from under the hat - all in slo-mo). Anthony Steffen looks a lot better to me now.


The Far Country - 3/5
Destry Rides Again - 3.5/5

(Asa) #184

Yep, I didn’t especially rate this one either. The very definition of by-the-numbers, and I was really hoping for a little more from Jon Cassar and the Sutherlands. I did enjoy the shootout at the end though.

(Stanton) #185

Pale Rider - Clint Eastwood (1986)

Story, dialogues and characters are a bit thin in this good looking but pale variation of some Shane motives. Eastwood’s directing is too often mediocre, and somehow he also has miscast himself. The obvious (and uninspired) Spag influences clash with the simple moralistic tone of the film, as simple as its political and ecological undertones, or its affected religious context. The often very dark photography looks good though. All in all not as bad as it sounds, but less interesting than it should be. Still for me Eastwood’s weakest western as director. 5/10


High Plains Drifter & The Outlaw Josey Wales didn’t impress me much, so I’m in no hurry to see Pale Rider.

Unforgiven is good, but I don’t rate it anywhere near as high as a lot of people.


I suppose it fits here because of the subject matter. Last night I re-watched a strange sort of documentary I first viewed in 2009-- “Requiem for Billy the Kid.” I found it most notable for its spectacular photography of Lincoln County and the country still haunted by and obsessed with Billy the Kid and the presence in the film of some old guys who were direct descendants of participants in the story, like the great-grandson of Hijiño Salazar, all still living in the area.

3.5/5 (deductions for weirdness, such as the PG&BtK screenwriter still bitching about Nixon 30 years later and a running voice-over conversation between the female director from France and an old Kris Kristofferson reprising his Billy the Kid role)


I am just starting a re-watch of “Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid” (2005 version). I must confess a love/hate relationship with this film and try to remember that this is not a history or a documentary, but it’s hard sometimes.

With all the fascinating real historical figures available why the fictional goofy Dylan character?

The soundtrack should have been based on the Spanish guitar. These people were not 1960s hippies.

The starting date should be 1880, not 1881, based on events depicted. Garrett did not go to Fort Sumner to warn Billy. He got there first with a posse and set up an ambush, killing Tom O’Folliard. On December 23rd Billy was captured (along with a few others, including infamous outlaw Dave Rudabaugh, not alone) at Stinking Spring(s) when Garrett followed their tracks in the snow. See, I get cranky about this stuff.

Beautiful to look at, though, and I understand what Peckinpah was doing with the basic material and his theme.

I just saw this:
“I’ll throw in another $1.60 if you’ll dig it out of Old Bob there.” Haha! Witnesses at the scene mentioned that line.

L. Q. Jones played a real named outlaw who was hanged around the turn of the century, not shot by Garrett. And no, Garrett was a fairly recent arrival in New Mexico Territory, not there for “15 years.” And what’s with the “old man”/“getting old” stuff? Garrett was 30 when this movie began. Ok, I’ll shut up now.

(Stanton) #189

Peckinpah’s film is luckily not a history lesson. :wink: But you know that,

Actually I never expect any kind of historic accuracy when I watch westerns. Westerns are generally set in a fantasy west, and some thrown in aspects of “realism” are only good to add to the atmosphere in some films.


Yes, I agree, otherwise the SWs would drive me crazy and I’d dislike them instead of loving them.

“Heaven’s Gate” is much farther away from the history it depicts than PG&BtK but it doesn’t bother me at all. This is probably because I feel much, much closer to the Lincoln County story.

I think Kristofferson did a very fine job as did Coburn, but Garrett’s descendants probably hated his portrayal.

(Bill san Antonio) #191

Last western (sort of) I saw was Anna Biller short film A Visit from the Incubus (2001). Weird musical/horror/comedy/western from this extremely talented young director who also plays the main role.

(Bill san Antonio) #192

Tried to watch Boot Hill but i had to switch it off before the end. I can’t just stand the film.

Also original 3:10 to Yuma. A good one.


Boot Hill looks terrible, and the original 3:10 to Yuma is one of my favourite US Westerns.


The Beguiled (2017)
I didn’t like this remake with Colin Farrell and Nicole Kidman of the Don Siegel/Clint Eastwood Civil War drama by Sofia Coppola. Nothing much happens through out, which made this film very dull and boring and some scenes was too dark it needed some brightness. Pffft!


Justice (2017)

A U.S. Marshal seeking justice for his brother’s murder defends a small town from a corrupt Mayor and his henchmen with intents to revive the civil war.

This was garbage, it was badly directed and the standard of acting was very poor. Stephen Lang for his part was okayish, but the script and the dialogue was really pathetic.


There seems to be a ton of these recent wannabe westerns around, many of them turning up on the movies4men channel - and what they all seem to have in common is, bad acting, bad script, bad direction and full of clichés.
They remind me of the type of drek played out by re-enactment societies - ‘Grown ups’ playing cowboys and Indians - embarrassing and a waste of everyone’s time.

(kit saginaw) #197

At Gunpoint, 1955, disappoints. Fred MacMurray is a peaceful store-clerk. When the town bank is robbed and the gang is riding-away, exchanging gunfire with some of the citizens, MacMurray amateurishly fires a ‘lucky shot’ that kills the gang-leader from a long, long distance.

The town mistakes him for an accomplished marksman. Of course, writer Dan Ullman has MacMurray’s character unable to explain the lucky shot. As if the entire West are surviving by being ‘bad shots’.

You can guess the rest. The town elects MacMurray sheriff. His wife and kid know he’s an amateur. So does Doc (Walter Brennan in his most under-used role ever) and the store-helper, who looks exactly like MacMurray.

Audience-warning… the store-helper is killed by the robbers, who think he’s MacMurray. You could predict that was going to happen 45-minutes ahead of time.

Just like you could predict the robbers were sticking-around ‘for revenge’, even though they have piles of money. Ridiculous. 3-out-of-10.

(Stanton) #198

I thought At Gunpoint was an interesting little western from an interesting but too unknown director of some westerns.

(scherpschutter) #199

I watched it a while ago on You Tube, also thought it was an interesting little western

(Stanton) #200

Werker’s best western, he shot them all within 2 or 3 years, is The Last Posse.

I also recently watched Rebel in Town, which suffers from a highly inconsequent ending.