[quote=“scherpschutter, post:6504, topic:1923”]Is this the movie:
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the trailer shows full of spoilers!!
see it the youtube has the movie all i think
Noirs et blancs en couleur/Black and withe in colour (1976) Jean-Jacques Annaud
A re watch, still as good as I remember Annaud never made a film as good as the first, well maybe The Quest for Fire, but that one also needs a re watch from my part, don’t recall much of it. Any way saying that it still holds agaisnt the test of time, its not a bit dated, its the best complemet I can make to this Annaud first effort.
Noirs and blancs is a very clever film and a very effective one, in terms of message. It has also a very beautiful photography work, with the African landscape looking amazing.
The final scene is just perfect, great film glad I’ve choosed this one to watch again
The Apartment (Wilder / 1960)
Best Picture Oscar winning film from 1960 and, as is usual with Wilder, it’s a well crafted piece. But this one is decidedly bitter sweet. Starts off fundamentally a comedy but shifts quite markedly half way through and becomes more sad and dramatic in tone. Great performances from Jack Lemmon and Shirley Maclaine and a terrific script from Wilder but would have preferred if it had been one thing or the other. A good film but, the best of 1960? As usual I’m not so sure Oscar got it right.
I’ve been watching Shirley Maclaine too in some episodes of Shirley’s World, light hearted and guiltily enjoyable.
[quote=“Phil H, post:6523, topic:1923”]The Apartment (Wilder / 1960)
Best Picture Oscar winning film from 1960 and, as is usual with Wilder, it’s a well crafted piece. But this one is decidedly bitter sweet. Starts off fundamentally a comedy but shifts quite markedly half way through and becomes more sad and dramatic in tone. Great performances from Jack Lemmon and Shirley Maclaine and a terrific script from Wilder but would have preferred if it had been one thing or the other. A good film but, the best of 1960? As usual I’m not so sure Oscar got it right.[/quote]
Interesting question, Phil
Well, an Oscar is just an Oscar, and the Acadamy just the Acadamy, but which 1960’s movie was decidely better than this one?
Among the top-grossing films only Spartacus comes close (Psycho certainly not), but is it really better?
Going down the entire list, I can find some, but they’re all foreign (La Dolce Vita, L’avventura, Zazie dans le Metro)
But, as said, it’s an interesting question. What do you think?
The Time Machine 
Star Trek (2009)
Well I was really only a fan of ST:TNG but haven’t really watched the other spinoffs. Never did see an episode of Enterprise. I did enjoy this though - paid homage to the original series without being cheesy.
[quote=“Phil H, post:6523, topic:1923”]The Apartment (Wilder / 1960)
Best Picture Oscar winning film from 1960 and, as is usual with Wilder, it’s a well crafted piece. But this one is decidedly bitter sweet. Starts off fundamentally a comedy but shifts quite markedly half way through and becomes more sad and dramatic in tone. Great performances from Jack Lemmon and Shirley Maclaine and a terrific script from Wilder but would have preferred if it had been one thing or the other. A good film but, the best of 1960? As usual I’m not so sure Oscar got it right.[/quote][quote=“scherpschutter, post:6525, topic:1923”]Interesting question, Phil
Well, an Oscar is just an Oscar, and the Acadamy just the Acadamy, but which 1960’s movie was decidely better than this one?
Among the top-grossing films only Spartacus comes close (Psycho certainly not), but is it really better?
Going down the entire list, I can find some, but they’re all foreign (La Dolce Vita, L’avventura, Zazie dans le Metro)
But, as said, it’s an interesting question. What do you think?[/quote]
Psycho certainly not? Well, Psycho certainly yes. Doubtless the best US film of the year, story and directing.
The Apartment is as most Wilder films overlong. But it is more interesting than Spartacus, which is only another half decent Hollywood blockbuster. Elmer Gantry is better than these 2, but also no match for Psycho. But Psycho is not the type of films which was awarded in these days.
Zinnemann’s the Sundowners is a well made drama, and a typical Oscar winner film.
If we don’t look only at US films there were lots of films in 1960 much better than the Apartment, but the Oscar is normally for Hollywood films, not for foreign films, except for some British ones co-financed by Hollywood.
All in all the Apartment was a good enough choice compared to most of the alternatives.
[quote=“Stanton, post:6528, topic:1923”]Psycho certainly not? Well, Psycho certainly yes. Doubtless the best US film of the year, story and directing.
The Apartment is as most Wilder films overlong. But it is more interesting than Spartacus, which is only another half decent Hollywood blockbuster. Elmer Gantry is better than these 2, but also no match for Psycho. But Psycho is not the type of films which was awarded in these days.
Zinnemann’s the Sundowners is a well made drama, and a typical Oscar winner film.
If we don’t look only at US films there were lots of films in 1960 much better than the Apartment, but the Oscar is normally for Hollywood films, not for foreign films, except for some British ones co-financed by Hollywood.
All in all the Apartment was a good enough choice compared to most of the alternatives.[/quote]
A couple of years ago the Roberto Benigni’s La Vita è Bella was nominated (in both categories Best Movie + best Foregn Language Movie) so apparently they changed the rules. Or was this just a ‘special case’?
I think The apartment and Spartacus are on the same level, both have there strong points and both have their shortcomings. Well, about Psycho we clearly differ, to me it’s just a shocker, well-executed, but no more than that.
Theoretically every foreign language film which was shown in the USA in that year can be nominated, but practically they rarely have a chance. The Oscar is generally not for the best film, but only for the best US film, or even more precise for the best Hollywood film.
It is an award from Hollywood for Hollywood. Not more, not less.
1960 was an incredible year for filmmaking worldwide, but in the 60s there wasn’t much happening in Hollywood till the late 60s.
But Psycho is imo clearly a film (the only Hollywood one of that year) which can compete with other masterpieces of that year like Rocco and his Brothers, Breathless , Saturday Night and Sunday Morning, L’avventura, La dolce vita, Zazie in the metro, Shadows, Shoot the Pianist Player and many more.
Never a foreign movie as won the oscar for both best foreign movie and best movie awards, and other foreign films had won Oscars in other categories besides best foreign film, I remember Croutching Tiger Hidden dragon, and Il Postino, but there are problably more.
[quote=“Pacificador, post:6527, topic:1923”]Star Trek (2009)
Well I was really only a fan of ST:TNG but haven’t really watched the other spinoffs. Never did see an episode of Enterprise. I did enjoy this though - paid homage to the original series without being cheesy.[/quote]I’m the reverse, I didn’t mind the old ones but TNG I can’t stand and all the strange characters that go wild for it made me hate it even more.
Well, there’s nothing wrong in having an award for the best ‘home picture’, so as far as I’m concerned they could officially limit the whole thing to Hollywood movies, or American movies, or, for my part, English language movies.
The French have their Césars, we in Holland have our Gouden Kalf, the price fo the best Dutch movie of the year. I don’t know exactly what the rules are, but I remember there was a lot of consternation (among critics and audiences) when the Gouden Kalf was awarded to Verhoeven’s Flesh + Blood, an English language film.
And there was a lot of trouble when first an English film won the Oscar in 1948 (Hamlet, Laurence Olivier). There was so much pressure from the big studios (who paid for the ceremony) when it became clear that Hamlet could possibly win, that it was a big surprise that Hamlet actually won. Which resulted in the withdrawal of the studios and the stop of their payments.
Which made the awards less corrupt, but it still remained a price for Hollywood films. After The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) several other British films won the Oscar (especially in the 60s with 5 films), but still never a film not shot in English.
[quote=“Stanton, post:6534, topic:1923”]And there was a lot of trouble when first an English film won the Oscar in 1948 (Hamlet, Laurence Olivier). There was so much pressure from the big studios (who paid for the ceremony) when it became clear that Hamlet could possibly win, that it was a big surprise that Hamlet actually won. Which resulted in the withdrawal of the studios and the stop of their payments.
Which made the awards less corrupt, but it still remained a price for Hollywood films. After The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) several other British films won the Oscar (especially in the 60s with 5 films), but still never a film not shot in English.[/quote]
As said, I find that acceptable. In Holland two prices for the Best book of the year are awarded (Why two? That’s a long story). The price is usually awarded to a novel, but it may also be a collection of essays, a study, a children’s book etc. They can be written by either Dutch, Flemish or foreign writers, but the language must be Dutch. In 1987, a book written in English by Simon Schama (The Embarrassment of Riches: an interpretation of Dutch culture in the Golden Age) was nominated, but it was withdrawn later for this reason.
And frankly said if it comes to awards very often there are many compromises made, in the end it doesn’t say much about quality.
One of the few exceptions is probably the German Adolf Grimme Award for outstanding series, films and shows on German TV.
[quote=“Pacificador, post:6527, topic:1923”]Star Trek (2009)
Well I was really only a fan of ST:TNG but haven’t really watched the other spinoffs. Never did see an episode of Enterprise. I did enjoy this though - paid homage to the original series without being cheesy.[/quote]
actually i can´t understand this - i was always fan of original series and of all other ST spin-offs too, and i like also ST 2009
[quote=“tomas, post:6537, topic:1923”]actually i can´t understand this[/quote]What don’t you understand Tomas, that I don’t mind the original series but don’t like the later stuff?
Same with Dr.Who, although I’m not a fan I don’t mind Tom Baker and before, anything after I hate with a passion.
[quote=“Yodlaf Peterson, post:6538, topic:1923”]What don’t you understand Tomas, that I don’t mind the original series but don’t like the later stuff?
Same with Dr.Who, although I’m not a fan I don’t mind Tom Baker and before, anything after I hate with a passion.[/quote]
yes, one my friend is exact opposite, he likes Spin-offs (TNG, VOy…) but he doesn´t like original series - i like all of them, it´s ST, maybe in different forms, but ST, at least for me, never find a reason to dislike some of it
dr.who, well i haven´t seen older episodes, so i can´t compare, but i like new ones (2005)
…AndThe best picture for 1960 goes to… Black Sunday. At least if I was voting. 
I liked The Apartment but Psycho really should have won. It was a controversial horror back then though right? Kind of like Saw or Hostel winning nowadays. (Not that I’m comparing either of those to Psycho)