I just picked up the German Blu-ray and was so disappointed with the waxy DNR picture. Until about 30 mins in, I found the 2nd version in the extras…. Which looks WAY better. It saved the Blu-ray for me. Pretty good film too, 6/10 for me.
I wonder what the difference betwen the versions is… need to pop that thing in myself.
It is as trouble_jw wrote:
Main version is heavily filtered (“DNR massacre”) but in the extra section theres is the same film version but not filtered. I think everyone prefers the not filtered version 
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What a weird choice
Surprised this one hasn’t seen a stateside release yet seeing as how it was one of the first SW’s to reach blu-ray in the first place.
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Yes, Grinder exactly.
I can only imagine they thought, with it being an early HD Blu-ray transfer, they would try and make it look “modern”, grain free and sharp. But doing so takes so much away from the film. Some people like that kinda thing. Not me though, give me grain and depth anyway.
There is no difference with the cut/edit between the 2 versions, just the transfer.
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The movie is a lot better than I remembered, upon fresh rewatching. Yes there are some issues, but overall it’s a very solid effort I though
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Regarding the German Blu-Ray from X-Rated - Eurocult-Collection #84.
Audio is German, English, Italian (back cover says only German and Italian).
Subtitles is only German, forced when using English or Italian audio (back cover says German AND English subtitles).
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thanks. haven’t even checked the disc myself despite my involvement in the audio commentary 
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Thanks. I was tempted to get this but now I won’t bother.
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Wasn’t that impressed with this, thought it the weakest of the twilight westerns and Fulci’s weakest of 3 westerns. Mainly cos much of it featured an irritating child, dressed like the kid in It Can Be Done…Amigo which at least was a comedy. The ending in which this ten year-old-kid rides off on a miniature pony with Gemma was the low point. I agree that Geoffrey Lewis was the best thing in it but he was written out of the film for about half an hour - his intro scene seemed to be a deliberate homage to the opening scene in And for a Sky A Roof Full O’Stars. No decent villain either with the main villain killed off quite early to be replaced with some ‘comedy’ Mexicans. Ettore Mani has all these old guns laid out on desks in his study but no-one gets to use them except for Gemma using one pistol. Didn’t like the score either. It sort of falls between two stools - too much violence for the kiddies and too much kiddie for the adults.
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Gemmas using of the old pistol seems to me like a Easter egg to “a pistol for Ringo”. That’s nice in a special way.
In my opinion had the Italian-western-Industrie a problem to find a target group in those later years. The Zanna Bianca flicks and their rip-offs had the same problem: to childish for adults and to violent for children.
I don’t know for sure, but I think that all the midnight movies weren’t really successful at their times. And this one seems to be one of the weakest. Some parts are convincing (Snake, action scenes) , but the whole thing is a mixed bag. The theme-song is really awful.
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This film is now released on DVD in Finland and other Scandinavian countries.
If you have it let me know if the details in the database are correct
Not yet. Today I found out that this DVD exists.
We had it listed for a while 
It’s an oater I very much liked the first time I watched it, but got so much worse on my second viewing. Though the flick comes equipped with a handful of neat touches such as the character of Snake and Fulci’s keen eye for visuals here and there, it’s a confused project with a meandrous script and diffuse focus.
It isn’t really a proper kiddie movie in view of that the kiddie here merely avails as a gimmick to lure in the family audiences, for which the production is arguably too violent and salacious at certain points; I realize the part of the child is meant as a narrative apparatus through which the protagonist is to overcome his thirst for revenge, becoming a different and better man in the process, yet the payoff is so small and insignificant the storyline appears almost misguided and ill-conceived from this standpoint.
By virtue of its diluting western elements to little effect, the tout ensemble seems toothless which comes to be exacerbated by the trite and cursory intrigue underlying the whole kidnapping scheme as well as the ephemeral storytelling. The movie utterly fizzles out towards the end with its fatiguing cat-and-mouse game the final outcome of which is all but inevitable by reason of it supposedly catering to juvenile viewers.
I dunno, perhaps I wasn’t in the mood for it, perchance it’s because it’s so goddang hot around here that I’m at my wits’ end or something… but it bored the heck out of me this time around. Now I believe this is the weakest of twilight spaghettis, trailing even El Macho.
It’s crap. Never been able to finish it