Savage Gringo / Ringo del Nebraska (Antonio Román, Mario Bava, 1966)

I have to agree for once and proclaim this to be my favourite Bava-western as well :slight_smile:

As mentioned above it doesn’t say much though. Ringo del Nebraska is a pretty standard spaghetti western story wise and probably with a little better photography than the average spaghetti western. The score is fine too. Ken Clark should have stuck with spy-movies though. Much better fitted for that role. He can fistfight his way out of any duel.

Got to agree with others, Bava’s best western but then again westerns weren’t really his genre. There’s few gory scenes which were promising, if he had added more such scenes it could have been more memorable film.

Piero Lulli is very good here as he alwasy is and Livio Lorenzon has one of his better roles as a drunk but honest sheriff, like I’ve said before he’s better playing drunks than villains.

Livio is really ridiculous in that Cameron Mitchell SW. Which one was it? Last Gun? He had this pathetically tiny hat.

Just watched it. Routine plot, decent execution. Typical 6/10 stuff for me. It does the trick, but that’s about it. Some people refer to gore, but that’s stretching it a bit. All I saw was blood, red paint to be precise. But it’s nice to see an ear get blown off. Also good to see that our hero switched from milk to whiskey after a fight. Some good music, some good shots. Overall just pretty decent. Don’t know if this is Bava’s best western. I first hated Roy Colt & Winchester Jack, but the second time round I actually liked it. The other one I haven’t seen yet. And yes, Clark is better as a spy. But he ain’t too bad here. They should have used a different lady though. Colour scheme wise a redhead was a good choice, but the whole time I was thinking about that Loredana Nusciak should have done that part. Then it would have been 6,5/10.

I enjoyed this one. Very much a traditional western. Which I don’t mind at all. And it would probably be my favourite Bava western but I really don’t think it is his film. It just didn’t look or feel like Bava to me so I checked Giusti’s book (and got Scherp to check the translation just to be sure) and it says there that there are multiple opinions on the story behind how this film was directed but everyone involved bar the producer recall Roman being the principle director and Bava doing second unit stuff, having been brought in to help the Spaniard with some special effects, action scenes and stuff.

I guess the argument will go on but for me, despite his input, this is not Bava’s film.

I haven’t seen that many Bava films but I think this one has a Bava-look with all the strong colors.

The other 2 Bava westerns are also not that Bava like …

The more Bava I see, the more I think Road to Fort Alamo is very typical of his work. The lighting, colours, studio bound stuff and matting work all screams Bava. Roy Colt not so much but then that was a much later film. But Alamo and Nebraska are both from the mid sixties and at that time I think Bava’s style was quite distinct.

There is no doubt that Bava worked on Nebraska, I just don’t believe he was the principle director here and it seems that the majority of first hand accounts suggests that also. Apart from anything else Roman was closely tied to the Spanish co producers (Castilla Cooperativa Cinematográfica) and was unlikely to be sacked. It seems more likely that Bava was brought in to assist in a production that Roman was struggling with rather than one where he replaced Roman completely.

This is what Giusti has to say about it
(To Phil: I added a note, I wasn’t sure about a certain term and consulted a native speaker, who came up with this explanation)

It (the film) was directed by the old Antonio Romàn, a Spanish director, who showed little affinity with the western genre. For this reason Fulvio Lucisano added a second director to the team, Mario Bava, who is said to have solved some of the problems Romàn had in regard to special effects, western action and choice of scenery*. Romàn had been a major director during the Franco regime, ever since the second half of the ‘40s; he had even written the script for a production called Raza, based on an idea suggested by Franco himself. It wasn’t easy to persuade him to accept help. Apparently an agreement was made, that he would be involved in one Bava and Lucisano’s other projects of the same year: he co-wrote Bava’s Terrore nello Spazio (or at least put his name under the script).

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Fulvio Lucisano says the film was almost completely directed by Bava, but the actors have other recollections. Aldo Sambrell thinks Roman was the only director, and this is also how Renato Rossini thinks about it: “Bava did second unit direction, and also did some action scenes; he supervised more or less the whole thing, but Roman was the one who actually directed the movie. I had heard rumours that he was a good friend of Franco’s. His wife, Ivonne Bastien, co-executively produced the movie.”

(…)

Lamberto Bava gives some further explication: “Lucisano called for my father to solve some problems regarding scenery* and costumes, and I went with him to Spain. Tony Roman, this Spanish director, was a nice guy. We had a lot of fun when we found out how he proceeded on the set. He was always very happy with the first take, but then changed his mind and did the same scene over and over again. In the end he inevitably preferred the first take after all.”

(…)

In the contemporary press, Giornale dello Spectacolo, Ringo de Nebraska was first announced as “First unit direction Anthony Roman, second unit direction Mario Bava”, later only Roman was mentioned as director, and the magazine finally opted for “Directed by Anthony Roman, co-directed by Mario Bava”

Note:

  • The Italian term ‘fondali’ used by Giusti, may also refer to studio sets
    I haven’t scene the film, but if some studio sets were used, they were probably conceived by Bava

I watched this last night. Being a big fan of many Bava flicks I was looking foward to it but going into it not expecting much based on what I’ve read… Well, it couldn’t keep my attention at all and I start doing other things with it on in the background… a real let down in my book. On to some positive notes, it did seem Bava-esque at times (but barely) and Piero Lulli was good as always. I can’t believe it, but I prefer Roy Colt and Winchester Jack! A comedy western of all things… Anyway, I haven’t seen Bava’s other one… I’ll be checking that out sometime soon.

I had seen a few weeks ago the Koch Media version of the film.
The film is average. Nothing special, but fairly entertaining.
The figure of Ken Clark (Nebraska Jim / Ringo) is a little too American. He had not the self-interest. He is more of a hero instead of an anti-hero.
The music by Nino Oliviero is ok. But nothing special.
In the end, there are some interesting twists.
It is certainly not a forgotten gem, but there are worse spaghetti western.
Or let’s say, we have seen a another movie of unseen SW . :wink:

Liking this one a lot, my disc is by Luminous and the sound warbles in & out of key, very weird. I agree its pretty ordinary but has this kind of fakeness to it that I identify with. Would be interested in looking at the Koch disc, is there an English option other than subtitles?

No, only subs.

They searched and found Engl. audio, but in the end weren’t allowed to use it for the DVD.

I think that there is a mistake in database.
Livio Lorenzon didnt’t play Marty Hillman and Alfonso Rojas didn’t play sheriff.

Sorry to all those Bava worshippers out there but I felt constantly bored while watching “Nebraska”. :-\

From the DB credits page: the guy on the right is not c.s.c. actor Renato Terra, I identified him a couple of years ago - together with the correct roles for Lorenza Guerrieri and Corinne Fontaine - in Requiescant/Kill and Pray, in which he plays Alonso (see below).
Black and white screenshots are from Pasolini’s Accattone (1961, left) and I due evasi di Sing Sing (1964, right), with Franco & Ciccio.

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Practically all the pics in the thread below are consequently wrong, with the exception of the Kill or Be Killed one.

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Does anyone have screen shots or some comments on the picture/sound quality of the Wild East release ? … Thinking of getting it, if it’s decent quality.

Well,… from the 3 that he did this is the better one IMO. But to be honest, Bava’s heart was just never in this genre.

I have seen the film … pretty average, but watchable - Just curious about Wild East’s release.

Yes, a quite simple film which is more or less average. 3/10