Once Upon a Time in the West / C’era una volta il West (Sergio Leone, 1968)

[quote=“Bill san Antonio, post:238, topic:322”]I have Joseph McBride’s book “Hawks on Hawks” where the interviewer asks his opinion about Wild Bunch (for which he replies with the words stanton mentioned) and italowesterns:

“Eastwood made few of them, couple of those were good but after that their quality has decreased. Latest have been made pretty badly. Terribly badly. I don’t manage to watch em through the end.”

interview was made somewhere during 70-74 I think.[/quote]

Thank you Bill san Antonio! It looks like I was right (not that it matters)!

[quote=“Lindberg, post:240, topic:322”]Isn’t this mostly the current American view on SWs in general?

Or the audience in the States sometimes don’t even know of other SWs than Leone’s, we’ve talked about this before[/quote]

Pretty much. Anything outside of Leone is regarded as Drive in material in the states.

I think the average look at SWs round here is pretty much the same…

I would’ve thought that SW’s would be more highly regarded in Europe, but from what you say, I guess not.

At least the genre is probably more well-known here and has more fans

But of course the mainstream audience in general don’t care much about such cult movies

What about the Karl May movies compared to SWs in Germany, any difference?

Also nearly every SW is called something with Django in Germany, so maybe that equals trash? :smiley:

How is the situation in Italy, anybody knows?

[quote=“Lindberg, post:245, topic:322”]At least the genre is probably more well-known here and has more fans

But of course the mainstream audience in general don’t care much about such cult movies

What about the Karl May movies compared to SWs in Germany, any difference?[/quote]

The Karl May ones are better knows, for many people watch(-ed) them as kids. They are not so brutal and so they are shown some where around noon.

As a kid I have seen most of them, especially the Winnetou one, which are extremely popular round here.

Maybe SW have got a slightly bigger audience in Germany compared to the USA, but compared to unsual blockbusters I guess it’s a marginal difference.

It’s just like you would say: Free Jazz is more well known in Germany…

This surprises me a little since the media shops are filled with SW DVDs in Germany, I’ve seen it myself

Somebody must buy these discs otherwise they wouldn’t stock them

So I would’ve thought SWs had a fairly big audience in Germany, at least bigger than in a lot of other places

Well, cultie movies like Spaghetti Westerns are pretty much looked down upon in most countries. Over here in Britain, the only Spaghetti Westerns that ever actually get shown on important TV channels are Sergio Leone films. Even the book “1001 Moives You Must See Before You Die” only has two Spaghetti Westerns in it, and both were directed by Sergio Leone (the Spaghetti Western films that are included are: “The Good, the Bad and the Ugly” and “Once Upon a Time in the West”).

[quote=“Lindberg, post:247, topic:322”]This surprises me a little since the media shops are filled with SW DVDs in Germany, I’ve seen it myself

Somebody must buy these discs otherwise they wouldn’t stock them

So I would’ve thought SWs had a fairly big audience in Germany, at least bigger than in a lot of other places[/quote]

Of course my point of view is not statistically verified, it’s just the way I see it.

Maybe the other German members can provide further illumination?

Used to show a few on the main popular channels in the late 80’s and early 90’s in the U.K, but these days are long gone of course.

Not counting the Leone’s, Giallos are generally way more popular than SW’s, and I think more highly regarded by critics too. Bava and Argento have managed to hit the mainstream somewhat.

For all the work he did with SW’s, Giuliano Gemma’s most famous role is still in Tenebre.

At least critics don’t look down on SWs just because they’re Italian, or violent and nihilistic, like they did in the 60s

On the other hand the genre was more ‘mainstream’ or popular among the general audience in those days

So it’s the other way around today than it was in the 60s :smiley:

[quote=“Lindberg, post:252, topic:322”]At least critics don’t look down on SWs just because they’re Italian, or violent and nihilistic, like they did in the 60s

On the other hand the genre was more ‘mainstream’ or popular among the general audience in those days

So it’s the other way around today than it was in the 60s :D[/quote]

Yeah that is quite an interesting thought Lindberg LOL. In fact, the western in general is not really mainstream anymore, even American ones. Hollywood comes out with maybe 1 or 2 westerns a year nowadays. Its off the beaten path.

To true. Which is a shame really, as most modern Westerns are nothing at all like all those John Wayne Westerns. They are actually closer to Spaghetti Westerns in some aspects.

Yeah thats true. The modern Hollywood Westerns are heavily influenced by SW"s, but they lack a couple of things:

  1. The cool musical score
  2. The really low budget. Westerns nowadays cost at least 30 million to make. Geez, can’t they just film in Texas Hollywood like the good ol days? Save some money LOL

I think the influence of SWs continues to be apparent, perhaps even more than ever in big-budget Hollywood action and fantasy films (I don’t think it’s that pronounced in Westerns, ironically enough), but as far as appreciation or recognition of the films themselves goes, they’re still marooned in a cultural desert.

As far as cult/genre cinema is concerned, it’s horror movies that are hogging the limelight.

Andrew Sarris was probably the only major critic to acclaim the films.
He also praised Eastwood’s post leone films when no one else saw his talent as an actor/director>

I think he lived to see it.
I’m not an expert in the history of movie reviews, but from his first SW to his death he had like 25 years to get some comfort :wink:

Jesus Christ, it’s Henry Fonda:

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haha