Most controversial thread ever (enter at your own risk)


(Silvanito) #121

[quote=“scherpschutter, post:108, topic:2465”]It’s the opposite of an Übermensch

Untermensch (sub human) is a term that was really used in some nazi propaganda movies (so the objection that those things are all ‘propaganda’ is true, in a sense). Untermenschen were for example mentally handicapped people, who had, according to some of the nazi ideologists, no right to live. A man like Dr. Mengele was therefore allowed to use them for his experiments. Sometimes other races were called Untermenschen, especially Slavs like Russians or Poles. There was also a term ‘Lebensunwertes Leben’ (not worh to live), sometimes used in relation to Gypsies and Jews.[/quote]

German mentally ill people were not used for any experiments by Mengele

Some of the Slavic populations in the areas the German army conquered were looked down upon, were considered very primitive

This sort of attitude was just as prevalent by British, French or Belgians in their colonies around the world though, so again nothing unique for the National Socialists


(Silvanito) #122

The civilian population in the eastern areas of Germany suffered enormously from the advancing Red Army when the tide of war changed

Looting, raping of german women and girls, and killings of civilians were commonplace

At the same time most German cities were bombed to rubble by the British and American bomber fleets, killing thousands of civilians

So you could indeed say they got their asses kicked


(John Welles) #123

I can see fireworks have been going while I was away. Irrespective of Lindberg’s viewpoint, I do not think politics should be disscussed on the forum. It will only lead to never ending arguments. I’m quite happy to have Lindberg here as a member (even if I disagree with his subjective opinions), as long as politics as a subject is avoided.


(scherpschutter) #124

I Agree

Everybody has had the opportunity to criticize Lindberg, Lindberg has had the opportunity to answer his critics

We should close down this thread now

There’s no need for endless arguments on this site


(davidf) #125

[quote=“scherpschutter, post:124, topic:2465”]I Agree

Everybody has had the opportunity to criticize Lindberg, Lindberg has had the opportunity to answer his critics

We should close down this thread now

There’s no need for endless arguments on this site[/quote]i agree with scherp. this thread is going nowhere. close it now before it gets nasty.


(Bad Lieutenant) #126

[quote=“Lindberg, post:120, topic:2465”]He doesn’t quite say in Mein Kampf that you can sell any idea to the masses, but rather how propagande should be designed to be most effective for a political movement

You mean the Jews in Hollywwod have a better ‘propaganda machine’ ;)[/quote]

[quote=“Hitler”]The function of propaganda does not lie in the scientific training of the individual, but in calling the masses’ attention to certain facts, processes, necessities, etc., whose significance is thus for the first time placed within their field of vision.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

All propaganda must be popular and its intellectual level must be adjusted to the most limited intelligence among those it is addressed to. Consequently, the greater the mass it is intended to reach, the lower its purely intellectual level will have to be. But if, as in propaganda for sticking out a war, the aim is to influence a whole people, we must avoid excessive intellectual demands on our public, and too much caution cannot be extended in this direction.
The more modest its intellectual ballast, the more exclusively it takes into consideration the emotions of the masses, the more effective it will be. And this is the best proof of the soundness or unsoundness of a propaganda campaign, and not success pleasing a few scholars or young aesthetes.

The art of propaganda lies in understanding the emotional ideas of the great masses and finding, through a psychologically correct form, the way to the attention and thence to the heart of the broad masses. The fact that our bright boys do not understand this merely shows how mentally lazy and conceited they are.

Once understood how necessary it is for propaganda in be adjusted to the broad mass, the following rule results:
It is a mistake to make propaganda many-sided, like scientific instruction, for instance.

The receptivity of the great masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan. As soon as you sacrifice this slogan and try to be many-sided, the effect will piddle away, for the crowd can neither digest nor retain the material offered. In this way the result is weakened and in the end entirely cancelled out.

Thus we see that propaganda must follow a simple line and correspondingly the basic tactics must be psychologically sound.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

What, for example, would we say about a poster that was supposed to advertise a new soap and that described other soaps as ‘good’?
We would only shake our heads.

Exactly the same applies to political advertising.

The function of propaganda is, for example, not to weigh and ponder the rights of different people, but exclusively to emphasize the one right which it has set out to argue for. Its task is not to make an objective study of the truth, in so far as it favors the enemy, and then set it before the masses with academic fairness; its task is to serve our own right, always and unflinchingly.[/quote]
translated by Ralph Manheim. Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company, 1943


(django live) #127

racism is the learned disease!!!


(Major Clyde) #128

I don’t see anything that suggests that Lindberg is a Nazi or an admirer of Hitler. He seems to be naturally skeptical and disinclined to take what others say at face value. Probably a smart way to be in this day and age. Who likes to be told what to think?

Lack of interest will kill this thread; there’s no need to close it or remove it.


(django live) #129

[quote=“Major Clyde, post:128, topic:2465”]I don’t see anything that suggests that Lindberg is a Nazi or an admirer of Hitler. He seems to be naturally skeptical and disinclined to take what others say at face value. Probably a smart way to be in this day and age. Who likes to be told what to think?

Lack of interest will kill this thread; there’s no need to close it or remove it.[/quote]
i was not calling LindBerg a Racist.


(django live) #130

i think that the things we should not discuss on the forum are politics and religon.


(John Welles) #131

Well said. Let us just keep to talking about films and Spaghetti Westerns.


(Starblack) #132

Lindberg has got what he and every other provocateur desires - attention.

Now that he has achieved his aim, finding (qualified) support in some quarters for his Hitler apologism (or at least for his right to express such views - no suppression of dissent here!) and condemnation elsewhere, we should all move on.


(scherpschutter) #133

You wouldn’t believe how sensitive people are when religion is at stake, ****

(And we don’t know each others religious feelings very well, one fanatic is enough to wreak havoc)


(ENNIOO) #134

Have offended lots of people in my time by having no interest in religion at all.


(Reverend Danite) #135

[quote=“scherpschutter, post:133, topic:2465”]You wouldn’t believe how sensitive people are when religion is at stake, Silence

(And we don’t know each others religious feelings very well, one fanatic is enough to wreak havoc)[/quote]

I’ve consulted with the brothers at the priory, and we agree - religions a no-no - unless it’s in a thread about spaghetti rabid reverends, mad monks and nuns!


(Phil H) #136

NUNS!!


(Reverend Danite) #137

:o

;D


(Stanton) #138

Reminds me of the “Dirty Vicar” sketch. (Copyright by Monty Pythons flying Circus))


(Silvanito) #139

[quote=“Silence”]Yeah, it’s really sane to even try to protect someone who killed 6 million people?
The Russians (not Slavs) were not the only rapists, German soldiers raped Russian and Jewish women. Plus, rapes always exist in war, so the Russians aren’t worse than anybody else.[/quote]

Some rapes probably occurred even among German soldiers, but the German army actually had death penalty for rape

The Red Army on the other hand practised rape and looting on a mass scale, and this was also encouraged by their commanders


(Silvanito) #140

Yes this is about propaganda in times of war, and how this propaganda needs to look like

There is another chapter about propaganda in Mein Kampf, and this is what I was referring to, sorry