May God Forgive You … But I Won’t / Chiedi perdono a Dio … non a me (Vincenzo Musolino, 1968)

listed as about 90mins, new 4K master… so that sounds encouraging

I should like to make one thing clear here: it’s true that the 2nd release (nuova edizione) was approved by censors in its entirety, but many scenes had been cut by the production before submitting the movie a second time to the Committee for Film Review.

And now we know for sure that the whole graveyard thing was not part of the original VM18 version.

The 2007 DVD from Hobby&Work (not to be confused with the one of much better quality released by Sony Pictures four years later) contains the VM14 release.

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Quite all over the place, this one. Some nice ideas, too many possibly (as some of you have observed correctly), some decent craftsmanship but overall a bit too diffuse, and constantly tic-tocing between “wow this is quite something” and “damn that looks cheap”…

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I watched this one today! A solid spaghetti western hidden gem featuring the main character “Cjamango” on a quest of revenge!

This doesn’t reinvent the wheel or anything like that but is a rock solid example of a spaghetti western deep cut that does what it is supposed to do and does not overstay its welcome!

Also Cjamango says the title of the movie before shooting someone in the mouth which is worth the price of admission alone!

Yes solid IMO :

63 Pecos Cleans Up (Maurizio Lucidi) music Coriolano Gori 1967
64 Any Gun Can Play (Enzo G. Castellari) music Francesco De Masi 1967
65 May God Forgive You … But I Won’t (Vincenzo Musolino) music Felice Di Stefano 1968
x66 Thunder Over El Paso/Revenge In El Paso (Roberto Bianchi Montero) 1972
67 Cjamango (Edoardo Mulargia) music Felice Di Stefano 1967

The leading actor is not so interesting but maybe that smart guy is - Jack Smart ? I guess the music by Di Stefano was as good as usual…

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I just saw this and quite liked it - fairly intense and violent although without much blood so far less violent than Django or Navajo Joe or Django Kill for example.

The WE print runs 89m and is an English print with English titles. They have the Italian prologue (5m) and epilogue (1m) as extras. I didn’t like the prologue/epilogue which resembled a TV prologue like the one done for Fistful of Dollars especially due to the ‘moral’ non-violent message so possibly this was filmed post-production to get the rating reduced:
(a) its far too long at 5m
(b) the date on the McDonald graves is 1843 (!!) although the main events take place post Civil War - mentioned in the dialogue - and feature a machine gun. Which made me think it had been shot later than the rest of the movie by someone other than Musolino
(c) It seemed very corny and trite. Also seemed to contradict the movie’s ending in which Cjamango goes off with Victoria.

The music score was bizarre at times - John Barry’s ‘Dawn Raid at Fort Knox’ music from Goldfinger was used over most of the riding scenes (I doubt they paid the rights for this). Other times there was inappropriate romantic music and then comedy plinkity plonkity stuff for Pedro Sanchez.

That machine-gunning at the end was ridiculous, ignoring the lack of horses killed they must have killed twice as many bad guys as turned up to the ranch. Only about 25 in total yet close to 50 killed I think. Not for the first time in an Italian western.

Peter Martell’s diary records the shooting dates 21/3-6/4 1968 although he is not in the movie much (basically just one 5m sequence)

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Here is a translation of the cuts made to the 14 rated version to get the 14 rating after the original 18 rating. In addition, of course, the 14 rated version had the prologue and epilogue added. In my view, the prologue and epilogue were shot post the original censor submission to try and get the rating down because the censors objected to the vengeance tone and this gives an ‘anti-violence message’. There was a 2 month gap between the failed appeal against the 18 rating and the re-edited submission so this could have been shot in that gap. It would explain the lack of continuity and locations between the prologue and the movie proper. Note below that they have cut about 1m off at the end of the movie from the point that Cjamango throws away his gun to remove all of the footage of Cjamango and Virginia going off in a buggy together as that conflicts with the new prologue/epilogue in which he is alone. The censors also seemed to dislike the jokey treatment of corpses by Barrica.

The following material has been cut: 1. In the ranch scene, which starts immediately after the opening credits, the voice (new dubbing) of the protagonist has been added - off-screen - pronouncing the lines ‘It was a sunny crazy day. Life passed peacefully on our ranch.’ 2. Saloon scene: In the scene where the protagonist Cjamango kills the first two bandits (Jackson and Patterson), the following cuts were made: Medium close shot of Barrica pushing the body of one of the two bandits off the gaming table and throwing it on the ground; close shot of body of one of the two bandits on the ground; close shot of body of the other bandit on the ground; Barrica rushing to grab all the money left on the gaming table by the dead bandits, laughing with satisfaction; Barrica’s laughter. 3. Chico’s house scene. In the scene where Cjamango kills the third bandit (Chico), the following edits were made; Close-up of Chico’s bloodied body already at Cjamango’s feet; Barrica pretends to cry over Chico’s body and then, grabbing him by the hands, drags him out of the house. Saloon scene. In the scene where one of the bandits (Jack Smart) kills the three killers, the following cuts were made: Close-up of one of the killers who, being mortally wounded, attempts to shoot at the bandit; Close-up of the bandit (Jack Smart) firing the gun at the killer who is already mortally wounded. Scene with the leader of the bandits (Dick Smart) at the body of his brother (Jack Smart). The following shots of the scene have been cut: Close up of dead bandit head (Jack Smart), bloodied and earthy; Close-up of hand of the bandit leader (Dick Smart) who takes the blanket and discovers the bloody head of his dead brother; Close-up of the hand of the bandit leader (Dick Smart) closing the wide eyes of his dead brother. Scene of the undertakers. From the scene in which the two undertakers deal with Barrica about the sale of the dead bandit’s corpse (J Smart) the following sequences have been removed: Shot of gravediggers who laugh after receiving from the bandit leader (D Smart); Shot of old gravedigger who sobs and, referring to the bandit leader’s instructions for the funeral, says sarcastically ‘…first class’; Shot of gravediggers (young and old) who laugh after the line. Beating scene of Cjamango. The following shots have been removed from the scene: Close-up of Cjamango beaten and bleeding, held by the arms by two bandits; Close-up of Cjamango held by the arms by two bandits while being violently hit in the face with two punches by Dick Smart; Medium shot of bandits surrounding Cjamango and repeatedly hitting him with punches and kicks. Close-up of Cjamango with a bloody and swollen face while, tied at the wrists with ropes attached to horses, he is dragged away. Death scene of the bandit Benson. From the scene, the following sequence has been removed: Shot of Barrica caressing the corpse, smirking and saying ‘…and this one is done too!’ and dragging away the bandit’s body. Fight scene between Cjamango and the bandit leader (Dick Smart). The following shots have been removed from the scene: Close-up of Cjamango, battered and bleeding, grabbed by the neck by D. Smart and violently slammed; Close-up of Cjamango while exhausted, receiving four violent punches to the face from D. Smart; Close-up of Cjamango as, now completely drained, he falls along the wall of the barn with his face now a mask of blood; Medium shot of Dick Smart, also battered and bleeding, collapsing from exhaustion; Medium shot of Cjamango striking Dick Smart’s face with a punch; Close-up of Cjamango with a swollen and bloodied face; Close-up of Dick Smart with a bloody face while he is getting up; Close-up of Dick Smart’s face, bloody and with wide-open eyes, as he is being strangled with a rope by Cjamango. Ranch scene (Battle). The following shots have been removed from the scene: close-up of the cross of the ranch chapel with a zoom out to reveal the full field filled with dead; Wide shot of the field full of dead. Final scene of the film. All sequences following the ones in which Cjamango throws the gun have been removed, more precisely: Close-up of Cjamango and Virginia; Medium shot of Barrica on the barn door; Medium shot of Cjamango and Virginia; Panorama of the ranch still burning; Close-up of Cjamango and Virginia starting to get into the carriage; Close-up of Cjamango and Virginia already seated in the carriage; Medium shot of Barrica with the ranch chapel cross in the background, while, turning to Cjamango, he says ‘Adios Cjamango’; Close-up of the carriage with Cjamango and Virginia as it starts to move; Long shot of the carriage with Cjamango and Virginia moving away; Medium shot of Barrica looking at the carriage, then turning and walking away; Long shot of the carriage moving further away while the title ‘The End’ appears.