I know Lawman is not a spaghetti , but I still like the film.
Has anyone seen the version where Burt Lancaster gets shot (with a shotgun I think), at the end of the film?
No. Is this a rumored âalternate endingâ or something?
Flynn
Shot to death or only wounded?
Yeah. Is he killed? I havenât heard of an alternate ending but I admit that I donât know a whole lot about this film (and itâs been many years since I last saw itâŚ)
Flynn
[quote=âflynnparadox, post:4, topic:484â]Yeah. Is he killed? I havenât heard of an alternate ending but I admit that I donât know a whole lot about this film (and itâs been many years since I last saw itâŚ)
Flynn[/quote]
He gets shot in the back by his former lover (with a shotgun) after he has gunned down Lee J Cobb, and is quite graphic, and thatâs why I always remember it.
Here in the U.K MICHAEL WINNER films are always messed around with by the BBFC, and of course CHATOâS LAND is no exception.
Ah. Interesting. I donât remember quite how this one ended originally. Iâll have to look it up (or check it out againâŚ)
Flynn
Wow! If this version truly exists, Iâd love to see it! I saw this movie with my dad when I was a kid at the cinema and thought it was one of the most bloody and violent things Iâd ever seen up to that point. Caught it recently on either Fox Movie Channel or Turner Classic Movies and was surprised that it still carried quite a visceral punch. However, that versionâs last death is Lee J. Cobbâs suicide.
Lancaster made a few really good westerns there in the 70s, all of them revisionist anti-Hollywood; âLawman,â âValdez is Coming,â âUlzanaâs RaidââŚ
I just watched this movie on German tellie (ARD). Itâs a really good movie. In any case recommended ! But there was no Lancaster (shot)gundown at the endâŚ
Does this âalternateâ ending really excist !?
[quote=âBluntwolf, post:8, topic:484â]I just watched this movie on German tellie (ARD). Itâs a really good movie. In any case recommended ! But there was no Lancaster (shot)gundown at the endâŚ
Does this âalternateâ ending really excist !?[/quote]
I viewed the version where Lancaster gets shots on U.K T.V in the late 80âs and have tried to get hold of this version but no look so farâŚmaybe someday.
Rewatched Lawman too
Interesting story
Pretensious dialogues
Great cast with lots of familiar faces
Robert Ryan is outstanding
A tired Burt Lancaster with an astonishingly weak performance, his only weak one in a western
Not sure about Winnerâs directing
The bad end (if it really exists) would be a great mistake
Ambitious but only partially succeeding
6/10
The negative ending is much better in my view.
Lancaster is a hated man by most in the film , and for someone this despised to just ride away at the end of the film does not make any sense to me. He gets shot in the back by a shotgun , by his former lover. Moments before Lancaster of course has just shot his former lovers husband.
Recorded the film last night, just watched it (not for the first time)
My ideas about it havenât changed much: I donât hate it, but donât really like it either
It has that typical cheap look most Michael Winner movies have
He has a great cast and a good story, but still he manages to make his film look like a quick cheapy, some sort of grade C Peckinpah/Aldrich/Penn
There are of course worse directors than Mr. Winner, but with this cast and this story, this film shouldâve been a lot better
I think it doesnât look that cheap. Compared to most Spags Lawman looks rather expensive. But if you compare it to The Scalphunters (with a fantastic Lncaster), which was also aired last night, well then âŚ
But yes, could have been better.
The different ending is not good for Lawman because he has forced all this senseless violence due to his rigid behaviour. Lancasterâs death would only be a conventional way to end the film as sentence for his failings. Let him ride away after he had killed in cold blood the husband of the woman, with whom he wanted to start a new life a few minutes earlier, is the more subversive end.
When Lancaster gets shot it is not conventially executed. Lancaster is not beaten in a gunfight by a faster gun but shot in the back like a coward by a woman. It is a mixture of conventional and subversive.
None the less, thatâs excactly the way I would expect it from all what happened before. And thatâs exactly the sort of solution I donât like. If he had to die, than any death would be better for me than this melodramatic âshot by the woman who lovedâ him thing. Sorry but thatâs a terrible alternative.
Let him ride away with all his guilt is the more satisfying ending for me.
The way he is shot is not predicatable and this is why it is the best end for me.
I have a question for the alternative ending: Does Lancaster kill Lee J Cobb or does Cobb commit suicide just like in the original version? 'Cos that would be another difference apart from Lancasterâs death. Itâs the 3rd time Iâm searching for a short clip of that alternative ending on the www over the years, but with no luck. I read that most people say that theyâve only heard of that ending. Iâm also wondering why didnât they put in on the DVD as an extra feature, is it becasue it is probably lost forever? I do not know if it would be better with that ending if I donât see the way itâs shot myself, the original ending already works well enough for me.
[quote=âStanton, post:10, topic:484â]Rewatched Lawman too
Interesting story
Pretensious dialogues
Great cast with lots of familiar faces
Robert Ryan is outstanding
A tired Burt Lancaster with an astonishingly weak performance, his only weak one in a western
Not sure about Winnerâs directing
The bad end (if it really exists) would be a great mistake
Ambitious but only partially succeeding
6/10[/quote]
Say, did you copy my notes ??
(I like some of Winners films, but I always thought
almost anybody could have made them.)
[quote=âmike siegel, post:18, topic:484â](I like some of Winners films, but I always thought
almost anybody could have made them.)[/quote]
I agree, Mike!
The alternate ending with Lancaster being blasted by Sheree North may very well exist, as that is the way I recall the film ending when I first saw it on Channel 34, Oklahoma City, on the late night movie back in the '80âs.
Now, I could very well be misremembering.
But, I do know that I was a tad disappointed when I bought the film on DVD and the ending was different to what I remembered.
After I purchased the DVD, I began searching for information about this alternate endingâand to this date have never found any concrete information regarding its existence.
I am glad Ennioo recalls it, too! That lends a bit more credence to my memory.
Either ending does little to alter the way I feel about the film, though.
I like the movie, but it isnât anything spectacular.
Glad you have seen this version aswell Chris !
It is the version that really sticks in my head of this film. Just wish I could get to see this version again though. My brother has also seen this version aswell.