Italian war movies aka Macaroni Combat


(SARTANA DJANGO BALLADS) #42

[quote=“scherpschutter, post:40, topic:622”]I’m not going to argue about which version is better, but it would surprise me if the German version were the original one

It’s hard to find conclusive evidence about these things (usually different books and sites contradict each other), but as far as I’ve been able to detect the song was written in by Franco Bacardi; additional writing was done by Daniele Pace, Gianni Boncompagni and Ralph Bernet;
It was apparently written for a tv show, so it’s possible that the Italian and German lyrics were written more or less simultaniously; I also guess that this ‘tv version’ was less raunchy than the lyrics used by Carra (in those days they often wrote different versions for tv-showings and the record release)

Raffaella Carra already released a version in '76; one year later she released a second version, that became the smash hit (I can’t find much info on the differences between the two, I guess the first was the more raunchy one)
All books and sites (in both English and German) I checked say Tony Holiday’s version is from '77,not '76[/quote]

You are CORRECT in this case Scherp :slight_smile:

The Original song is by Italian ALL Time Classic songwriter DANIELE PACE with Bacardi/Gianni Boncompagni (another big hits writer).
Ralph Bernet is a prolific German songwriter who adapted the song into German for
Tony Holiday. Bernet also worked on many DANYEL GERARD MEGA HITS :slight_smile:
I hear TONY HOLIDAY’s version so often and have his HITPARADE appearances that I
convinced myself he had the original. It was in Fact Raffaella Carra with the 76 original.

Both version are very good, catchy, high quality & Raffaella is always raunchy/sexy :-*


(Paco Roman) #43

Today I watched “Ingloriuos Bastards”. :slight_smile: What a great Movie from Enzo G. Castellari. Fred Williams is such a cool guy, always with a cigar in his mouth and a MG in his hand. It reminds me on a lot of Movies like Von Ryan Express, Kelly’s Heroes and The dirty Dozen.

Has anybody seen L ’ Ultimo Cacciatore (1980) aka Hunter of the Apocalypse? Directed by Antonio Margheriti.


(davidf) #44

i went into it without any high expectations but i rather enjoyed enzo castellari’s “eagles over london” with frederic stafford,luigi pistilli and van johnson.“battle of el alamein” isn’t bad ethier and i’m british!


(Bad Lieutenant) #45

Do you perhaps have the double feature dvd of Battle of el alamein with Go for broke? I’m thinking of buying it, but I would like to know about the quality first.


(davidf) #46

[quote=“Bad Lieutenant, post:45, topic:622”]Do you perhaps have the double feature dvd of Battle of el alamein with Go for broke? I’m thinking of buying it, but I would like to know about the quality first.[/quote]i’m sorry bad L but my copy is part of a st clair vision 9 movies on 3 dvd’s which features battle of el alamein with three other italian war movies “five for hell”,“eagles over london"and"battle for the last panzer”. all are full screen and picture quality is average at best,but it was cheap enough from amazon.


(Bad Lieutenant) #47

Thanks for the info anyway. I thought I’ve read somewhere that the print used in the double feature I mentioned is a good widescreen one, but I don’t remember for sure.


(Sebastian) #48

i currently discovered the term “Macaroni Combat” for this genre and I’m loving it (see the threads at The Deuce for example)


(Yodlaf Peterson) #49

I recently got the wild-east double bill of CHURCHILL’S LEOPARDS and SALT IN THE WOUND.


(CactusCharlie) #50

[quote=“Yodlaf Peterson, post:49, topic:622”]I recently got the wild-east double bill of CHURCHILL’S LEOPARDS and SALT IN THE WOUND.

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I have both of these in my Kinski collection, Salt In The Wound (The Dirty Two) is the better one of the two though.


(Durango) #51

For anyone interested in Commandos:

Try to get the St. Clair US dvd release

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It’s a good widescreen print, all regions disc. Don’t know about the other versions, they might be all from the same source.

Do you perhaps have the double feature dvd of Battle of el alamein with Go for broke? I'm thinking of buying it, but I would like to know about the quality first.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that the double feature with Go for Broke was a good print, the best available in English.


(Durango) #52

Also, I can recommend:

From Hell to Victory

German dvd, uncut, ws, english audio.

starring George Peppard, directed by Umberto Lenzi.

avoid the Dutch or US dvds, they’re of piss-poor quality.

of course there’s many more great /good/not so good spaghetti war movies, made in the same golden era of Italian cinema where those westerns came from, but most of them are not available on dvd, and definitely not in English.


(Sebastian) #53

I’m trying to add as much of all of that as possible:

http://www.grindhousedatabase.com/index.php/Category:Macaroni_Combat


(davidf) #54

“the battle of the last panzer”( 1969) is a little seen italian- spanish film in the short lived italian world war 2 genre of the late 60’s/ early 70’s. this one starts slowly, but is not too bad and holds the attention most of the way, but is letdown a little by a rather inconclusive finale. film is helped by the performance of " stan cooper" who proberly gives the performance of his career. an intresting example of the italian war film but too undecided about it’s intentions.


(Durango) #55

funny you mention that movie, I did prepare a review a few weeks ago but I didn’t post it because it got rather long and detailed and a little subjective here and there, but anyway, here it is.

The blending of genres that Spanish director J.L. Merino attempted (to great effect) with his Requiem para el Gringo in 1968 (western/gothic horror) was repeated a year later in his Battaglia dell’ultimo Panzer, this time mixing the war genre with the western. The story involves a German tank crew cut off behind their lines, trying to reach their battle lines in their lone panzer.

Once again Merino adds several unconventional touches. For starters, the protagonists are a German tank crew. The French resistance look and act like a mean bunch of cutthroats. There’s one scene with really offbeat color filtering (mostly red) and strange angles, with lots of killing and death when the Germans battle it out with the resistance. Plus there’s the spaghetti western music and imagery that more than once pop up. The dusty town resembles a wild west town, and several longer scenes take place in a saloon type bar. The movie was shot in the same location (Colmenar Viejo, Madrid) as Django and a few other westerns. Notice also the inclusion of a few PoV shots from the barrel of a gun, something seen ever so often in Italian westerns as well.

Especially the duel at the end deserves mentioning, with two tanks taking shots at each other from point blank range. Totally unrealistic, and confusing as hell since both tanks look the same, but it’s exciting nevertheless. Also, in the best Spanish/Italian fashion of the period, there are some real sultry scenes between the beautiful leading leady, the lovely Erna Schürer, and the male cast. And what a magnificient sight of her standing upright in the turret of that big tank, dressed in a summer skirt: a blending of female sexuality and male phallic symbolism?

That being said, the movie has plenty of shortcomings and cliches. For war movie buffs focused on authenticity it is a real horror since the uniforms and equipment are way off (post WW2 tanks and American uniforms and rifles that don’t even come close). For me personnally, it does cost a war movies some points but it doesn’t disqualify it by default, as plot, acting, cinematography, action, atmosphere etc should also carry weight. And critics always seem to forget the shoestring budgets the directors usually had to work with, plus these were simply shot in a different era with a less demanding audience with regard to authenticity. Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers changed a lot in this respect, setting a whole new standard, but it would be wholly unfair to hold these sixties movies to the same standard. Another problem for action-oriented viewers might be that the action scenes are sparse and low-key. It starts with a tank platoon being caught in an American ambush, but this scene is rather lacking because the German tanks are knocked out too fast, too easily, and the low budget shines through with the Americans only a platoon-sized squad with a single anti-tank gun.

As of now, there’s no good (remastered) English language DVD available, but for those willing to give it a try it might be interesting to know that the low budget VHS quality German DVD has an English sound track (if I remember correctly!), although it is not mentioned on the box. It is released under the title ‘Monte Cassino’, which is really dumb since the movie is supposed to take place in France while Monte Cassino was a famous battle in the Italian mountains, slugged out by infantry with no significant role for armor.


(davidf) #56

intresting review of “battle of the last panzer” but like you said the title of " monte cassino" is very odd


(Paco Roman) #57

Watched recently two examples of Maccaroni Combat: Desert Battle and Probability Zero.

Probability Zero (1969/ Dir: Maurizio Lucidi) is a fun action packed Men on Mission Movie. An american Commander (Henry Silva as Duke) helps the norwegian Resistance in WW 2. The story takes place in Norway but it’s obviously not filmed there. Interstingly Dario Argento wrote the script.

Desert Battle (1969/Dir: Mino Loy) has a fine Cast (for SW Fans!): George Hilton, Frank Wolff, Robert Hossein, Rik Battaglia. After a tank battle in north africa some british and german Soldiers are trying to survive in the desert. Frank Wolff has a good role as former safecracker who gets slightly mad a their way. The wonderful music score is from Bruno Nicolai.

Unfortunately the DVD was one of the cheap 4 Movies on 2 DVD’s buy. So picture and sound quality were pretty bad. :(On the second DVD there are two movies I haven’t watched so far: Thunder from the West with Gianni Garko and Partizani with Rod Taylor.


(scherpschutter) #58

What DVD (?) did you watch, Paco? I remember discusing this film with the Reverend, we both liked it and were looking for a good copy. The rev had only an incomplete old tape, if I’m not mistaken.

Those Italian war movies are hard to get; I could only find an inferior and cut German disc of The Battle of Al Alamein (Ferroni)
Commandos, with Van Cleef and mentioned a few times here, was scheduled on ZDF last week, but it was suspended due to the election debate between MC Averick and O’ Bahamas


(Paco Roman) #59

It’s a german DVD (maybe cut) with no subtitels and only German Audio. The Quality on the first DVD with Desert Battle and Probability Zero has a better picture quality (16:9) but the sound is between good and bad (on both movies!). The second DVD with Partizani and Thunder from the West has poor picture quality (4:3) but better audio. The quality was so bad I couldn’t finish to watch both Movies. I’m not sure if I would buy the DVD again. It’s a shame cause IMO Probality Zero and Desert Battle are good entertaining Movies.

Here is the amazon.de link (but I bought it for a much lower price at a shop).


(scherpschutter) #60

[quote=“Paco Roman, post:59, topic:622”]It’s a german DVD (maybe cut) with no subtitels and only German Audio. The Quality on the first DVD with Desert Battle and Probability Zero has a better picture quality (16:9) but the sound is between good and bad (on both movies!). The second DVD with Partizani and Thunder from the West has poor picture quality (4:3) but better audio. The quality was so bad I couldn’t finish to watch both Movies. I’m not sure if I would buy the DVD again. It’s a shame cause IMO Probality Zero and Desert Battle are good entertaining Movies.

Here is the amazon.de link (but I bought it for a much lower price at a shop).

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Thanks

German audio is no problem for me
Awful video&audio quality of course is
I’ll probably buy only the first, with Desert Battle, but I think I’ll wait till I’m in Germany and look in shops


(Stanton) #61

Before buying check the lenghth of the DVDs at OFDB.de. They are probably heavily cut.

And you can only buy all 4 together as it’s a double DVD package.