LOL … mystery solved!
I’ll take that look over the DNR mess of MGM’s first blu-ray and the faded colours of the Kino blu-ray any day.
Does anyone know if the 2.0 audio on the Kino disc is the original mono or is that something only available on the Eureka disc?
I’m not certain but I think the original mono is only available on the UK and Italian Blu-rays.
I just finished watching this for the first time. I watched the version that is on Movieland TV, a Roku channel – it is a 158 minute version, that includes the full flashback sequence at the end.
I thoroughly enjoyed it. There are some continuity issues that are well-noted already in the discussion, and they seem glaring in retrospect, but I barely noticed them as I watched. I thought Steiger was excellent, but yes, I cannot help but feel like Eli Wallach was born to play Juan and that Steiger was essentially channeling his inner Wallach/Tuco to play the role.
I do have a question or two about John’s Ireland flashbacks. What is their relevance? Specifically, how is the revelation of John being in a three-way relationship apparently years earlier important to John’s character development/story, and especially to his decision to blow himself up?
A good question but one open to individual interpretation I suppose.
I always thought it was just showing his previous idealism and those ideals being crushed turning him into more of a cynic but whose idealism still lingers underneath. That’s just my take though.
Some good points raised by Phil, in response to this…
Personally, I think that the ‘dream sequences’ are something that most of us, as individuals, can associate with. Some of us may be occasionally guilty of indulging in such ‘dreams’; for reminiscing of happier times is a release from reality. Joyful moments, in a time of tragedy, idealism, and wrong-decision-making, are life-boats worth clinging to.
Just like Sean, in ‘AFOD’, we all get older, but not not necessarily wiser, due to our own personal choices in the past, or present.
And, as with the Sean character, our lives are occasionally filled with regrets. The only reason that we usually don’t drown under such heart-breaking self-stigma, is that remembering the times of joy keep us alive, when all around reigns chaos, and rebellion.
Hopefully, this Vivienne Chandler ‘interview’ may be of interest…
In August, 2007, I managed to contact the late, great, very beautiful Vivienne Chandler, via e-mail.
I asked this lovely lady about her experiences of working with Sergio Leone in ‘A Fistful of Dynamite’, and of being the ‘girl’ in the famous dream sequences.
These were her responses:
**Sorry I have taken so long to reply. So I will try to answer your questions."
"The scenes in the car were indeed near Dublin, it was in the grounds of a stately home of sorts as I remember it. I think it was about half an hours drive outside Dublin. I have an idea that the field was not at the same location but I seem to remember that somewhere someone pointed out to me where these locations were so I reckon that if you hitch up with members on the Sergio Leone site someone would be able to give you that exact information. I have seen photos of both these locations.
"We stayed in a hotel in Dublin. Again I am so sorry but I can’t remember the name. I seem to remember that it was biggish and nice though!"**
"I might have seen one of Sergio’s films before I was asked to be in this one. I must say that as far as Italian film directors go, at the time I was more of a Fellini or an Antonioni fan! However, watching this one again recently I shall watch some others of his."
"I had heard that ladies didn’t particularly feature in his films. As I have mentioned before he asked to see me several times at the Dorchester hotel in London and when he took me onto the balcony to scrutinise me through the lens he always wore around his neck I seem to remember being amused rather than daunted! He didn’t say a lot but he certainly seemed to know what he was looking for."
"I do feel that he was pointing out that a revolution was a serious act of violence and that families and deep friendships were ripped apart by such deeds. The price paid was very high indeed. The contrast between that and the moving beauty of the lovely final scene was a very important statement."
**"My lasting impression of Sergio was that he was a very observant man. He was shrewd and intelligent and had a sense of humour. He was a very good communicator and I felt very well looked after and respected. James Coburn was a real character and so good at what he did. It was a real pleasure to work with him - he was good fun. David Warbeck and I had met before, and we discovered during the filming that we had quite a few friends in common, so we kept in touch for a few years. He was always so exhuberant and positive and full of life. I was sad to learn that he had died."
"I was never daunted by the prospect of working with Sergio, David, and James - just excited!"
"Why didn’t I carry on with my acting career? Well now, therein lies a tale! Suffice it to say that I had a child and I went to live in France for a while and decided to devote myself to that little person who I felt didn’t really need me to be called away at any time."
"I do hope that this answers your questions. I am sorry that the details you asked for are lacking but as I say I am absolutely sure that the information is out there.
I do hope this helps. If there are any other questions I shall do my best to answer."
And so ended an e-mail chat to the lovely lady that I will always regard as ‘The Dream Girl’…
R.I.P. Vivienne Chandler, 1947-2013.
Thanks for sharing Toscano
Yes, thank you … a lovely piece of cinema history, and how nice to have it given personally. Cheers, amigo.
Thanks for the replies and the history! Good stuff. Some good points were made, but I still find the explanations just a bit unsatisfying. For one thing, the flashbacks are almost completely independent of the plot … especially in comparison to say, For A Few Dollars More, where the flashbacks are integral to the plot (e.g., they explain Indio’s morose obsession with and use of the pocket watch and Mortimer’s motivation for hunting Indio down) and have a clear trigger (Indio reflecting on the watch). The most you can say is DYS’s flashbacks suggest why John left Ireland (not actually important to the plot) and contribute peripherally to the theme of betrayal by an intimate and trusted cohort.
The most likely explanation I can come up with for the dream sequences is that at the end, John, having already lit the fuse, chooses to reflect on perhaps the happiest moment of his life, and as he waits for the fuse to burn down and bring his life to an explosive end, we the viewers wait along with him, sharing his reflection. That does not contribute anything to the film’s plot, but I could see how Leone might feel such reflection could be compelling as we all wait in anticipation of that fuse burning to its end. That interpretation is undercut by the fact we do not actually know the fuse has been lit (at least on first viewing), but OK.
It seems strange though that John would choose a reflection culminating in another man passionately kissing his lover. Even if we accept the dubious proposition that sharing a woman with another man was his life’s happiest moment (and convincing us of that could be the point of that giant grin on his face as the other man kisses her), wouldn’t that memory be so imbued with bitterness from that man later betraying him to the British military as to ruin it? Or if the point is he is reflecting on the great love of his life, why not reflect on a memory of her other than one culminating in another man passionately kissing her? Unless perhaps that is the whole point … that life is full of betrayal and happiness is fleeting. But that does not really seem like an overall theme of the film.
Sometimes, its best not to read too deeply into what was - first, and foremost - intended as an emotional, action-filled, action-filled solid slice of escapism.
Bravo, Lennie, for your thoughts…please keep 'em coming.
All right, one more thought, since you asked .
When instructing Juan about using the dynamite before the bank heist, John emphasizes several times that the fuse is 30 seconds. For the version(s) of the film where the dream sequence is 30 seconds, that means the dream sequence is exactly the length of time for the fuse to run.
For the 4 minute dream sequence versions, remember that the dream sequence is in slow motion. It seems plausible to me that Leone had in mind that John, having lit the fuse and knowing he is about to die, feels life in a state of slow motion, such that the total time spent in the dream sequence is in actuality about 30 seconds – again, the length of the fuse; it just feels like 4 minutes from his perspective (and ours, since we are sharing the perspective).
In either case, I think Leone’s intent was to have the dream sequence run for the duration of the fuse.
Maybe Leone just wanted to visit Ireland!
Yeah, nice idea about the 30 seconds. I don’t recall noticing that before.
The car ride was shot in the grounds of an old stately home with an adjacent golf course. There’s a sort of car museum also attached. The golf course would be where they were chasing each other in slow motion.
The bar with the shoot out is Toners in Dublin.
I met a concert pianist who played one of the schoolgirls on the excised bus sequence. Sergio was overly fond of her and got her to ride in his car from the hotel to the location. She says he broke her wristwatch strap when he grabbed her, and then she cried a lot to avoid him.
I’ve forgotten the name of the Hotel too, but I went there. I probably have notes somewhere.
Oh no … the maestro behaving like a creep! I never knew about this or the deleted scenes. Anymore info would be greatly appreciated.
I did the Duck You Sucker locations in 2002, in Spain and Ireland. The information is probably on a floppy disk somewhere. If I can find it, I’ll post.
The Golf Course is Deer Park Golf at Howth Castle just outside Dublin, where the National Transport Museum is. The guy there had a lot of information about the car used in the scenes. I wrote it all down, but 2002 is a long time ago. Several computers later…
The bus used was the one also used in Ryan’s daughter. It was supposed to drive past Coburn’s car and everybody waves happily to each other.
Yes, the maestro behaved like a creep. We agreed not to share this at the time, but that was a long time ago, so I feel I can blab it out now.
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