Love the song played over the credits, and of course Miserlou was a classic ever since…
Well since there is more talk about Tarantino than the debate I was looking for with Pulp Fiction, we’ll switch gears to a new film & try to remember folks, the debate is about the movie, not the director or genre. Stay on topic & we’ll let Rififii start…
Apocalypse Now…Great great movie. Nam movies are probably one of my favorite sub genre’s. I like the long version of AN. But somehow I like Platoon and Full Metal Jacket a little Better.
I guess thats where the real debate lies, how it stacks up with other Nam movies.
Overrated. The whole film’s a whatever with a lot of empty metaphors and overdrawn scenes, and even though it may have been the first film to deal with Vietnam so harshly, previous war films have done the same…and today there a million films that have done better…Brando’s performance is overrated as well…Fuck this horror!
That was my exxagerated approach but you know when in Rome…
The situations under which this film was made adds a realism not usually found in movies. Actors on edge, multiple last minute script changes, ad lib moments etc. all combine to make this a classic with a unique feel. The premise of an assassin killing an American soldier gives it a certain duplicity in nature. Raw, energetic & well cast. Brando’s performance BTW is barely existent to be debated. He’s mostly shot in the dark with little light. Obviously done on purpose due to Brando being a bit out of shape & hard to work with. Martin Sheen’s performance is great. A ‘whatever’? ‘Million’ films? Rififii, I was expecting a little more well crafted opposition.
Eh, I don’t hate it that much I was just havin’ some fun…I just can’t enjoy the nature of the film…All the realism makes it realistically boring sometimes…but when it works it works I’ll give you that. Otherwise if I wanted to watch, or show, a film that perfectly embodied the reality and horror of war, I’D watch or show Come and See, much better…
Not found of Sheen. I find his mission to find Brando boring and overlong. And what a let down the actual ending is with mumbling overweight Brando. Many things are to over the top for me, like Duvall and his scene where he wears no shirt.
I love his scenes. How does not wearing a shirt seem unrealistic. I’ve seen plenty of pictures in Vietnam where soldiers are not exactly in proper attire. That was one of the most unsupervised Wars in history with lots of crazy stuff going on. Sometimes the real stories are crazier than anything Hollywood can make. I’ll give you the over the top nature of a lot of the film like Kurtz’s followers etc.
I used the reference of Duvall not wearing a shirt purely as a reference point in the film. He is overacting in these scenes for me, which I do not like.
I’ll take a shot…for it:
I don’t like AN as a war movie. It has little action and is very long. But I do really like the film. It has the darkness and characterization of a Film Noir with Sheen’s narration in his gravely voice guiding us into the dark. And the film does to me what not a whole lot of films can do, it genuinely disturbed me. The film is wonderfully paced with emphasis on character and atmosphere over action. The fact that the big action scenes come early on serve as a good way to getting us really into the film.
The film is one of the most atmospheric films that first comes to mind. The slow descent into darkness is long and maddening; just a it should be. And Vittorio Storaro’s vivid photography lends layers of beauty and interest into the film’s look and feel.
Brando’s character’s predicament really disturbed me. The fact that a man so celebrated and high up can descend into such a large degree of madness.
Anyway, I find it to be a very well made film with great characterization.
Have never seen Apocalypse Now
Arc light heading your way Aut
I think what FFC was going for with the action mostly void was to show the psychological aspect of war & not the physical.
I feel that the slow descent finding Kurtz is also a slow descent into insanity for Sheen’s Capt. Willard. I never thought of the Noir angle but the use of lighting along with the overdub make sense (don’t forget all the smoikng going on). As for Duvall’s Kilgore. Some of those military types are nuts in real life. Remember in Full Metal Jacket, R. Lee Ermy was a real drill instructor. He’s not over acting although at first glance it may seem so. One of the greatest opening scene in movie history for me. The music, the trees…then the napalm, the helicopter sound morphing into the ceiling fan showing you that Willard never really left the jungle. Cinema magic! ‘This Is The End’, before the movie even started?
Good movie but a bit too long winded in places. I actually prefer the redux version which expands some good parts but has a real long French colonist scene which I still don’t understand. Marlon Brando really had no business being in the movie in his condition and I really find him useless as an actor. Martin Sheen on the other hand was first rate and downright aces in it.
me neither. On a sidetnote i like Fullmetal Jacker, Platoon is a bit boring and i dislike the fights in between the group, very “lord of the flies” style.
on another sidenote. Pulp fiction did not help me score, in contrast to my beloved cologne team, scherp.
Still had a good night, maybe the movie was just better than the girl. Now its up to you to decide if the girl was so bad or if the movie is so good.
I found all the scenes reinserted in th Redux version were out of place if not downright silly. Sometimes the cutting room floor is where some scenes belong.
when i saw AN in the cinema when it first came out, i thought it was excellent, it’s a film you have to see in the cinema to get the full effect. have seen it on video a few years later and film lost it’s impact. haven’t seen it for years and would suspect it has dated and become blunted amongst other more actionful vietnam war films, but that first viewing was an experience.
The French colonist scene was too out of place indeed.
They were just looking for an excuse to get Martin Sheen laid in that movie LOL.
I may watch AN to see what you’re all talking about, but honestly not terribly interested in the film
[quote=“valenciano, post:114, topic:1962”]me neither. On a sidetnote i like Fullmetal Jacker
Still had a good night, maybe the movie was just better than the girl. Now its up to you to decide if the girl was so bad or if the movie is so good.[/quote]
I also like Fullmetal Jacket, I think its actually the only war movie I own
if the girl was so bad, then you would of scored, no? Perhaps the problem is she was too good ;D
[quote=“autephex, post:119, topic:1962”]I may watch AN to see what you’re all talking about, but honestly not terribly interested in the film
I also like Fullmetal Jacket, I think its actually the only war movie I own
if the girl was so bad, then you would of scored, no? Perhaps the problem is she was too good ;D[/quote]
I said i had a good night.
And the problem is, i am too good. Really should start learning from SW how to handle women.
One movie we could discuss here is one I dislike, in contrast to many people. Taxi Driver. I think its boring, yes De niro is cool as a psycho, but he still is a psycho and its boring to watch that for so long. Its like SD, the first posts were fun, but after a while it gets on your nerves. Anyway, iam not the biggest Scorsese fan, haven´t seen raging bull, but especially Goodfellas was disappointing.