Charlton Heston has passed away

CHARLTON HESTON’s GREATEST TOP 5 FILMS FOR ME ARE :

  1. PLANET OF THE APES 1968 Charlton Heston Roddy McDowall

  2. BENEATH PLANET OF THE APES 1969 James Franciscus Linda Harrison

  3. CALL OF THE WILD 1972 Charlton Heston Michele Mercier

  4. SKYJACKED 1971 Charlton Heston Yvette Mimieux

  5. WILL PENNY 1968 Charlton Heston Lee Majors

PLANET OF THE APES FILMS with Linda Harrison and Kim Hunter

Along with the classic EL CID, I will never forget two great Westerns that Heston did, THE BIG COUNTRY and WILL PENNY.

National socialism is left wing?

yes, national SOCIALISM is left wing.

I AGREE Charlton Heston’s Westerns were memorable, absorbing and high quality.

BIG COUNTRY 1958 WILL PENNY 1968 MAJOR DUNDEE 1965
THREE VIOLENT PEOPLE 1955 PONY EXPRESS 1953 ARROWHEAD 1953

Major Dundee :

[quote=“Lindberg, post:17, topic:999”]But this guy Heston and his views on guns has absolutely nothing to do with fascism, this is something that is much more appropriate to call “liberal” :smiley:

But the term “fascist” is also very misused and so many people don’t quite know what the hell it stands for :D[/quote]

I didn’t mean to say Heston was a fascist, I have no indication he was one
The point is that his ideas about weapons, and the right to shoot anybody who illegally enters your house, are interpreted as right-wing. If they can be called “liberal” I don’t know (note that the term ‘liberal’ is used in a completely different way in North America and Europe).

I think, like you say, people tend to accept communist (or extreme left-wing) ideas better than fascist (or extreme right-wing) ideas;
A few years ago I met a few people from Eastern Europe and they were appalled by the fact that many people over here (in Western Europe that is) still considered communism as a more or less acceptable ideology.
In Holland a liberal politician (Bolkenstein) has asked repeatedly why politicians with a fascist past are forced to retire from politics, while politicians with a history in communism are welcomed within different political parties. This man, Bolkenstein, would certainly say that Dorado has a point.

@ Stanton

I don’t think Corbucci and Sollima were that extreme, no. And even if they were, I wouldn’t have wanted to miss their movies. (I wouldn’t have liked to miss the films of Leni von Riefenstahl either)

More in general: I didn’t want to start a complex political discussion, it was more a personal reflexion, shared with all others here on the forum

Agreed let’s discuss some SW’s instead we are here to have a good time not to discuss politics :wink:

Hmm in a certain way, but the NSDAP, which embodies national socialistic ideas, was a right wing party, quasi facistic.

You can’t be Liberal (right-wing) and at the same time be a fascist or nazi that is absurd and impossible.

Yes some people regard fascism and “nazism” as left-wing, and I also said that these ideologies have a lot in common with communism.

But they’re commonly refered to as right-wing, whether this is correct or not. You know that as well.

However they also have some fundamental differences to communism, so I’m not sure if it’s wise to place them in the same political “category” after all. This is open to debate I guess :smiley:

But maybe this “left-wing/ right-wing” way of thinking doesn’t quite apply for such extreme political movements as these?

They’re totalitarian. Period :smiley:

I like the idea.

Jeez, I figured this would turn into a political thing… a few quick points just to touch on what a few have said…
There’s definitely a big difference betw. North American and European definitions of ‘liberal’… but Nazism was not left-wing by any stretch of the imagination.

Back to sherp’s original reply to my comment… “But do we have to condemn an artist for his ideological choices?”

That’s not an easy answer… perhaps my age has something to do with it as well as my obsession with U.S. politics, but I tend to think of Heston the ideologue more than Heston the actor. I would say that if the artist’s art itself promoted a nefarious ideology, I would more than likely condemn the artist. With Heston, it’s a bit different… his films (as far as I know) never really ventured into that territory. I found his politcs and the people he associates with pretty deplorable. I guess I feel the same way about Heston’s passing as I did Jerry Falwell’s. Does that make sense? I can repspect the artist in Heston, most certainly.

Considering all of the aforementioned accolades and shortcomings of our dear-departed Heston; I will always remember his hilarious beer commercials. They were greatness. RIP CH

Right wings are no liberals.

Extrem leftists and rightists are never liberal.

But I don’t want to talk about these things either, at least not in this forum.

And Heston was a conservative, but I don’t know enough about him to judge him therefore.

But I like him as actor, even in boring crap like Ben Hur or The 10 Commandments (one of De Mille’s weaker films), and he was great in most of his westerns, especially in Arrowhead, Pony Express, The Big Country, Major Dundee and Will Penny.

There is a good article in the NY Times about him:
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/movies/06heston.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1[/url]

Reading all of the posts about Heston, it seems he will be remembered more for his views on guns than his acting. Although his political beliefs were conservative in later years, don’t forget that he was one of the first Hollywood A listers to support the Civil Rights movement in the 60’s, something he deserves credit for.

As for his views on gun ownership, as a gun owner myself, I am opposed to that sort of thinking. Guns should be used for legitimate shooting sports only. They should only be used in self defence as a last resort.

He supported Martin Luther King Jr. and the Civil Rights Movement.

The problems of an easy access to guns: some people don’t use them only for sport, hunting or self defense. But I cannot say if there is more or less crime than without. IMO it must be less crime. Not everything what Michael Moore told in Bowling for Columbine is true.

Nevertheless Charlton Heston was a great actor in great Hollywood Movies. He should be rememberd for his roles.

CHARLTON HESTON RIP WILL ALWAYS BE LOVED FOR HIS GREAT EPIC FILMS

Around the world the Gigantic Cinema Presence/Major Acting Talent of Chuck Heston
is what dominates the headlines/tributes. These very secondary “gun/political” chats
are totally irrelevant to the cinema career of a 20th Century icon: Charlton Heston.

Charlton Heston From His Best Film : Planet Of The Apes 1968

Heston was pretty much a conservative, right wing, Republican. That means he certainly was in favor of limited gun control, and he spent the latter half of his life working on gun issues. Specifically, what he stated was an American’s constitutional right to bear arms.

But he was also aligned with Reagan politically, meaning he supposedly favored small federal government, although massive military spending and American militarism. Militarism to open and safeguard markets for U.S. capitalist interests. He was pro-death penalty. Didn’t favor government programs to help the needy.

He was a perfect example of a conservative, free market capitalist that approved force (established by the military) to promote capitalism.

A lot of people would say he was a fascist because of his powerful support of nationalism, disdain for human rights, identification of “enemies” (communists, terrorists, etc.) as the cause of problems, his support of militarism, interdigitation of the government and religion, suppression of labor, disdain for the arts and intellectualism (he hated Hollywood liberals and almost came to blows with Sam Peckinpah) and a strange obsession with crime and punishment.

I agree with the right to bear arms, but like PhilH, I didn’t support Heston’s political agenda.

So do i.
We have the right to defend our homes against intruders who threaten us and our families.

Doesn’t Texas have that law?