Well. Seems like they changed it and no one thought of telling the bad news in the thread
You do realize that the change doesn’t come from within the SWDb, but from somewhere else, and we’re just updating the content in the SWDb accordingly? in this case I think it was already mentioned somewhere that the distributor’s page doesn’t list English audio or subtitles
Oh yes, but no I don’t remember seeing this mentioned in here until today. The only thing I’ve seen is it being announced as having the English dub and now it hasn’t. I understand that messengers get shot but it had to come out at one point
Do we know if the German subs are for the whole movie or only for any non-German dubbed parts?
I don’t think there was ever more than a “tbc”
Probably not but that piece of info was never supplied either. I was the one delivering the original info in this thread on behalf of this piece of news which stated the English dub as being a sure thing:
Reality changed afterwards as it often does with these German releases and too bad about that. Probably a rights issue.
Well, we can always create English language fan subtitles for Sartana right?
that’s the official distributor page… you can see there’s no English options.
Maybe the delay might be cause they are trying for the English dub, probably not but wishful thinking. All I know is there is a 4k master out there now so an English friendly company will be bound to utilize sooner than later…perhaps Arrow.
As I am sometimes involved in German Spaghetti Western releases:
If there is no English audio on a dvd or blu ray release from “quality labels” like Koch, Explosive, Colosseo, etc. it is more or less always in issue with rights. That means that the italian or spanish owner does not allow to put the English Dub on the releases. That sometimes happens even with “original” langauge dub
So, please do not blame the labels.
For the Sartana release:
As far as I know it will be a complete new scan from different available sources. I am pretty sure it will be worth waiting and the release will contain some more material than for instance the Wild East.
Thanks for the information Grinder. Film and audio rights are such a strange mess and it’s always difficult to understand why it’s like that, but at least we are getting the film! And even if it’s not in my language I’m happy that we can finally see this film in good quality!
Like I said before we can always create subtitles for the film. Heck we could even do a fandub.
Looks like the upcoming Grande Silenzio BluRay will get an audio commentary by Mike Siegel… And a scan of Mikes personal 35mm print which they call the Grindhouse version
The updated extras are
Alternatives Ende; Trailer; 20-seitiges Booklet; Audiokommentar von Filmhistoriker Mike Siegel; Grindhouse-Fassung (HD-Abtastung einer seltenen deutschen 35mm Kinokopie von 1969); Filming Silenzio; Promoting Silenzio (ca. 9 Min.); Silenzio in Pictures (ca. 7 Min.); zahlreiche fremdsprachige Bonus-Featurues (OmU);
Or just sync the new HD footage with the old English audio.
I find it amazing that copyright owners are making things so difficult for fans and distributors … after all, we’re talking about films which are 50 years old and of almost no commercial value other than to die hard fans of the genre.
Perhaps the arrival of Tarantino’s 2 pseudo westerns has raised some interest with casual film fans … but not all that significantly.
I remember how UK television in the 80s and 90s would show many of these movies very late at night, on ITV and Channel 5 … they were clearly being screened as time fillers for insomniacs. The only thing comparable today is the movies4men channel which shows a lot of SWs, dumped in with some of the worst ‘straight to video’ garbage imaginable. So there must be some regulation as to how much a copyright owner can be paid for a television broadcast?
Are these owners holding out for a big pay cheque ? … and if so, how come low budget DVD releases are readily available in English, albeit in dubious quality.
Speaking to a festival organiser at the Almeria Western Film Festival, a few years ago, I inquired as to why the rather odd selection of older films being screened … He explained that it was down to the budget they had for paying copyright owners … he told me that the Spanish owner of ‘For a Few Dollars More’ (La muerte tenía un precio) Death had a Price - wanted 3000 euros for a one off screening, and that was a DVD projected, not a 35mm print. In contrast they could have screened ‘Once Upon a Time in the West’ for just 50 euros ! So, it all comes down to greed, rather like that which we encounter in characters from our favourite genre. It’s a shame that there aren’t regulations to prevent greedy selfish copyright owners from holding out … after all they had nothing to do with these films production, nor I doubt do they have any personal interest in the material they control. Assholes!!!
Good points you mention. All about the cash like you say !
Thanks ENNIOO … a little philanthropy in the movie distribution world would be much appreciated, but it’s not very likely.
Yeah… that Wild East audio track is pretty okay, except for the high pitched ringing throughout it.
I think because most of the low budget dvd releases don’t bother with rights. What mainly comes to mind is the Video Asia DVD set’s using Franco Cleef’s restoration of Gli Fumavano Le Colt and blatantly just ripping from other dvd’s. Maybe I’m wrong on that though.
Yeah, I second what VanEyck mentioned here. Most of the really early Wild East releases, as well as overseas releases with English options, are just ripped and put onto dvds. Shameless, but I will say that they do help people get cheaply into the genre.
I suspect that the early Wild East releases were considered ‘public domain’ at the time of their issue? So is it a case of bootlegging a bootleg, as someone commented before. The work Wild East put into assembling extras is great, but many of their prints are well below acceptable quality levels. Many are simply European PAL discs converted to NTSC, with an English dub added. The conversion process they use softens the image and creates ugly interlacing.
I have a Spanish release of ‘Kill them all and Come Back Alone’ which is identical to the W.E release (except the image is pin sharp) … right down to a couple of scratches at the very beginning.
This was the first SW I ever saw, even before knowing who Clint Eastwood or Sergio Leone were … so I was very excited to see the DVD in a Malaga store. Over the years (pre internet) I had tried to find some information on the film, with very little success, except that it was released in the early 70s in the English version by Columbia Pictures … so either Columbia let their distribution rights expire or the film is now public domain? So the whole business of what is copyright legal seems to be a rather gray area.
Robert Woods told me that he owns the American distribution rights to several of his films, including ‘Challenge of the McKennas’, which he hates and says he will never want to see it released. Also, most of the companies producing these films in the 60s and 70s no longer exist … so who can claim legal ownership over a specific title or it’s soundtrack ?
Recently I found a VHS copy of ‘Captain Apache’ in a charity shop, for 10 pence - ‘A tidy sum!’ … The video is titled ‘A Gun for April Morning’ … I was curious to see how the print looked, and it’s definitely a bootleg or public domain release from a company called Scan Euro Video … the print itself is a rough looking 16mm widescreen 1.85 ratio version, covered in scratches and dirt with very noisy audio and a ‘homemade’ title card inserted during the original credits. The back of the box has the usual copyright warning and © 1987 Scan Euro Video - The original distributor, Scotia International, aren’t mentioned and their logo is removed from the beginning of the film, though it’s present in the recent Blu Ray release … strange! Seems like illegal releases have been in circulation for a long time, masking as official ones.
I don’t know about early Wild East, but their current transfers are most likely conversions of an EU PAL transfer. I don’t suspect they make much money off of them (why they’re limited runs, DVDs, and only a new one every couple months), which is why they can only do so much.