Blindman (Ferdinando Baldi, 1971)


(Mickey13) #161

I’ve always cherished Blindman for what it is. And it is a wonderful trash film which exhibits its mindless, asinine plot without any restrains with a view to exhilarating with its tasteful tastelessness, as Stanton verbalised it ideally.


(Salty Jim) #162

So, from where should I start?
It has nothing to do if something is usual or not and my comment was not about the fact of showing violence, but about the way it’s showed. Violence in cinema has many faces and every hue applies to a different audience. We can take for example two violent SW scenes like the women massacre from Blindman and the family massacre from Once upon a time in the West. Both are gruesomely violent and sadistic, but at the same time they differ in a key element. The first exploits it’s violence (like sartana1 accurately mentioned), in other words it is violent for the sake of being violent, and the second doesn’t. The first one (in my opinion always) longs to trash cinema, if not already being there, and the second is art. The thing that gave me that bitter taste was the somehow positive in the feel massacre. It’s length and the music that… praised the mass murder. Spaghetti westerns exploit of course violence and this is one of their main characteristics, but I found that in this case it was quite overdone.

[quote=“Reza, post:154, topic:203”]and now you just take a look in daily movies…how much do u see eroti* scenes at them?
how many Trashy porns has built until today?do u accept them?[/quote]

Erotic scenes? They are marvellous, but I don’t count the massacre as an erotic scene…
It’s not a matter of accepting something and I didn’t mention anywhere, I think, of not accepting Blindman. By the way, what do you mean by not accepting something? Not accepting a movie’s consistence as an art work? Blindman is cinema. No doupt! But we can’t like all works of art, can we?

About the trashy porns now. They just are…

I don’t want to be misunderstood, but I have nothing against this movie! In general Blindman is entertaining and I quite liked it (except of course of the scene we are discussing). I was about to give it 4/5, but only at the end I concluded for a 3/5. It is just not in my top SW list. :wink:

You both should! Now that we started such an conversation, it’s the best time I think! :smiley:

No doubt…


(Salty Jim) #163

Stanton! That’s good! :slight_smile:


(Vito Cipriani) #164

I like this one. I like Baldi’s movies generally, however, and I have to say I prefer TEXAS ADDIO (in its Italian language version - not the awful English dub Aktiv released on VHS in the 1990s), VIVA DJANGO!, HATE THY NEIGHBOR and THE FORGOTTEN PISTOLERO - which I realise is heresy, because most people seem to prefer BLINDMAN. I really love the score for this one, however.


(Bible Joe) #165

Maybe, haven’t seen anything from Baldi, since I became a Fulci fan some years ago.
But I remember many people I know being appaled by some Fulci, e.g. THE NEW YORK RIPPER, while for me it is pure poetry.
Well, maybe next time I watch some Baldi it will seem tame and friendly. ;D :wink:


(Reza) #166

[quote=“Salty Jim, post:162, topic:203”]So, from where should I start?
It has nothing to do if something is usual or not and my comment was not about the fact of showing violence, but about the way it’s showed. Violence in cinema has many faces and every hue applies to a different audience. We can take for example two violent SW scenes like the women massacre from Blindman and the family massacre from Once upon a time in the West. Both are gruesomely violent and sadistic, but at the same time they differ in a key element. The first exploits it’s violence (like sartana1 accurately mentioned), in other words it is violent for the sake of being violent, and the second doesn’t. The first one (in my opinion always) longs to trash cinema, if not already being there, and the second is art. The thing that gave me that bitter taste was the somehow positive in the feel massacre. It’s length and the music that… praised the mass murder. Spaghetti westerns exploit of course violence and this is one of their main characteristics, but I found that in this case it was quite overdone.

Erotic scenes? They are marvellous, but I don’t count the massacre as an erotic scene…
It’s not a matter of accepting something and I didn’t mention anywhere, I think, of not accepting Blindman. By the way, what do you mean by not accepting something? Not accepting a movie’s consistence as an art work? Blindman is cinema. No doupt! But we can’t like all works of art, can we?

About the trashy porns now. They just are…

I don’t want to be misunderstood, but I have nothing against this movie! In general Blindman is entertaining and I quite liked it (except of course of the scene we are discussing). I was about to give it 4/5, but only at the end I concluded for a 3/5. It is just not in my top SW list. :wink:

You both should! Now that we started such an conversation, it’s the best time I think! :smiley:

No doubt…[/quote]

I respect your idea my friend…
but the directors are looking from another window i said…
some of them want to invent new scenes with massacre. :slight_smile:


(Stanton) #167

Actually I don’t think that this woman massacre scene is tasteless or noticeably exploitive. It shows senseless violence towards women done in affect, done by a bunch of male misogynists. They treat these women only as a ware, but in that moment it all gets out of control and they destroy what they want to sell. You may see here if you want sexual aggressions going bonkers. Still from that point of view a tricky scene.

But I will watch this scene this evening again and then will see what I think about it then.


(Asa) #168

Well, I watched it yesterday and I’m disappointed to say that I found it largely unremarkable. I mean, it was okay. A decent enough little pic, I guess. The slightly seventies aesthetic worked in the Mexicans’ favour and they all looked about as good as Spag Mexicans have ever looked, I loved the old machine-gun-behind-the-curtain bit, and the seeing-eye horse was a great little innovation. And I thought that Ringo bloody Starr would stand out like a sore thumb and bollox the picture but he didn’t, so that was good. But the rest of it… meh. The women may as well have been cattle, and the motivations for herding them here or there seemed to me at least to be disproportionately skewed given the effort required to do so, particularly from our blind protagonist. I’ve got to admit, I didn’t personally find Tony Anthony’s Blindman to be an especially engaging character. With his big floppy hat, he just looked like one of the secondary mice you usually see imploring Speedy Gonzalez for help in some cartoon or other.

I placed it in my ever-changing list of favourite westernshttp://letterboxd.com/lastcaress1972/list/favourite-westerns/ at a generous 65, just behind Young Guns II and Sabata but just in front of Sartana’s Here… Trade Your Pistols For a Coffin and Silverado. Maybe at some stage that all-important second viewing will win it some favour.


(Reza) #169
Actually I don't think that this woman massacre scene is tasteless or noticeably exploitive.....
Well, I watched it yesterday and I'm disappointed to say that I found it largely unremarkable. I mean, it was okay. A decent enough little pic, I guess. The slightly seventies aesthetic worked in the Mexicans' favour and....

Yes,you’re right…woman massacre scene isnt tasteless…

this is one of the best SW i said before…
the massacre scene,the end attack,snake in food,the night blast,Tony anthony’s face and hat,the music and the story are different and i think a good invention in SW


(Salty Jim) #170

I have to do it, too, I think. Some months have past since I watched it. :slight_smile:

Nice list! :smiley:


(Asa) #171

Thank-you! I’ve got a lot of westerns still to watch, just among the ones I own. I used to make sure I watched a Spag every day (or at least a western every day) but I just can’t find the time at the moment. Plus, I’ve now seen most of the recognised Spag “classics” that are available to me, and I have to psych myself up to watch, say, Buffalo Bill, Hero of the West or This Man Can’t Die. :slight_smile:


(Reza) #172

Excellent!

i think u have a lot of time…or may your job belongs to cinema…Good luck


(Marvin W. Bronson) #173
I've now seen most of the recognised Spag "classics" that are available to me, and I have to psych myself up to watch, say, Buffalo Bill, Hero of the West or This Man Can't Die.

I’m in the exact same boat, buddy.


(Reverend Danite) #174

As mentioned on another thread - I revisited this last night and thoroughly enjoyed it (more-so probably as I was escaping a far worse fate at my mum’s in the form of Dancing on Ice).
Not much to add - I watched the Greek New Star version which is uncut, widescreen, switch-off subs and all-round lovely - all that nastiness and nakidity in full. Occasionally it lapsed into Italian lingo for small snippets (I don’t know if other versions do this?).

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On a side note… there is a Blindman database entry under ‘English titles’ - but it ain’t under Blindman though as there ain’t one… it’s under Vengeance of the Barbarians for some reason. ???
VOTB has it’s own entry under either Get Mean or Timebreaker (I can’t remember which).

I’ve got no idea how to correct this… does it need one of you there Marshalls?


(titoli) #175

This movie was very decently directed and shot. That’s about only two things you can call “decent” about this movie. :slight_smile:
I certainly wouldn’t call it “tasteful tastelessness”. OK, movie is definitely very tongue in cheek, so much that it can almost be called a comedy, and some of the jokes are funny even if the humor is always of a toilet kind, but for the most part it was tasteless tastelessness I’ve ever seen in spaghetti western.

I usually defiantly enjoy political incorrectness in film, and I sure don’t find nudity offensive. What I find offensive is when the women are treated as they’re nothing more than cattle throughout whole movie by ALL characters. So I have to agree with Salty Jim’s points and disagree with Stanton’s.

Precisely, I disagree with this: “Actually I don’t think that this woman massacre scene is tasteless or noticeably exploitive. It shows senseless violence towards women done in affect, done by a bunch of male misogynists. They treat these women only as a ware, but in that moment it all gets out of control and they destroy what they want to sell.” I think that filmmakers’ intention was nowhere thoughtful as that, it came across to me far more closely like this, as Jim have put it: “It’s like saying: Here guys! Did you want violence? Did you wait during all this time to see those awesome dolls to be raped? Here you have it! Enjoy!”.

I don’t buy that it tries to show the Old West realistically as dangerous and violent place for women and that this senseless violence towards women is done in affect by some of the characters, because like I said, everybody in this movie, including our “hero”, script and director, threat women like they are just cattle that don’t talk or have free will, but is just herded around and stripped naked every now and then.

Besides, I couldn’t really swallow that gimmick premise about blind gunman, especially since they didn’t bother to give him obligatory stronger other senses: he doesn’t hear the snake, don’t feel the fire in front of his face, and clumsily knocks everything over in a room.


(Stanton) #176

I haven’t said that there is anything realistic in the film, and I’m sure that the main intention of the filmmakers was mainly to show nudity to make more money, to make the film more attractive. The film is a very commercial one, and surely not a film about the social status of women back then.

Nevertheless can I view this scene like I did without contradicting me, without assuming that Baldi spend any thoughts about anything.


(titoli) #177

@Stanton
I get your point, art (art?) is there for spectator to interpret it in his own way, but it’s difficult for me to see this scene through those kind of lenses because there is no counterbalance in the rest of the movie.


(Stanton) #178

It’s also always a matter of taste which way one looks at a film.

I don’t know why I should blame a scene which shows a certain form of violence in a genre which always shows violence. When I accept the killing of dozens of men for the pleasure of the audience as entertainment, it is somehow consequent not to blame this scene either easily.
But this special scene is no problem for me in the context of the whole film. Actually this scene is for me less misogynistic than any other nude scene in this film.


(Bill san Antonio) #179

I had not watched this for years. I liked the film when I saw it for the first time but it never became a favorite of mine and from then on it’s been one of those many films in my shelf waiting for rewatch.

Well, now was a time for rewatch and what a great film it is. Much better directed, much better looking and definitely much more funnier than I remembered. Especially Raf Baldassarre’s character is hilarious, I think this is his best sw role. Tony Anthony is perfect as a blindman and the music is great. This time i wasn’t even so repulsed by the infamous desert scene. The whole film is just great entertainment.

My rating: 8… maybe 9/10


(Lord Brett) #180

To file under ‘stuff I forgot I had’ - I’ve got most of the UK Front of House stills from Blindman. If I scan them would this be the best place on the site to post them?