Nicolai? The score is from (and credited to) Carlo Rustichelli, the man for the more unusual soundtracks. This one with greetings from Gustav Mahler.
I like it.
[quote=āstanton, post:21, topic:271ā]Nicolai? The score is from (and credited to) Carlo Rustichelli, the man for the more unusual soundtracks. This one with greetings from Gustav Mahler.
I like it.[/quote]
My fault. Probably not the last one Iāll make in my life.
Mahler? I donāt dislike him, although I prefer Bruckner.
Anyway, I thought it wasnāt appropriate for a SW.
Yes, itās sort of different, but I think the score works very well in several scenes.
I have seen A minute ā¦ about 15 years ago for the 1st time, and I liked it then only partially, but there was one unbelievable, melancholic scene with this Mahler like music, with Alex Cord marching down a stonepath in Escondido. When I saw the film again last year I looked desperately for this scene, but it wasnāt there! Fuck!
Not in the german, not in the english version. Trick of the mind? Different german version? Probably the first. But Iām remembering watching this scene endlessly before erasing the VHS recording.
Except for the end there was at least one more scene which wasnāt in the 4 min longer english version.
Hoping for an uncut release in the near future with great expectations.
On the back of the MGM box it says: āGreat Atmosphereā - Leonard Maltin.
Gee, I didnāt know a mainstream critic like good olā Leo would have things good to say about SWās.
that sucks about the cuts Stanton. that scene you described sounds rather cool.
I have the 118 min version on DVD-R, off of Japanese TV, but even this one is not complete; it lacks several scenes that the MGM DVD contains! I have estimated that the full running time, if the MGM scenes were to be inserted into the 118 min version, would be something around two hours fifteen minutes. Would really like to see a release of thatā¦ 
135 min, thatās really a long Spaghetti.
This japanese version, does it have english audio?
Finally got around to this one and on the whole enjoyed it but thought it had far more potential than was realised.
Like Scherp I wasnāt quite sold on the music score. It was good music but I wasnāt quite sure it was right for the film. The cast was good and I liked the story with its āhandicapped heroā theme. I always enjoy these storylines where the main character is struggling against some physical impediment.(e.g Minnesota Clay going blind etc) so all in all pretty good.
The main fault I had with it was the patchy editing which left the whole film unevenly paced. However, with all the obvious cuts made maybe this is a fault caused by later tampering rather than poor workmanship to begin with. I certainly felt the ending could have been worked better but on hearing of an alternative ending in existance, again maybe this was not Giraldiās fault. (I have the region 1 MGM version by the way so no extras or alternative ending to check out)
All in all though a pretty decent effort if not earth shattering. Solid 3 star for me.
I agree with you that solid three star rating.
The editing certainly looks patchy, but with at least twenty minutes missing, thatās not a big surprise.
I donāt know if there is - or ever has been - a version with a total running time of over two hours, like Mannaja suggests, but a more complete release, with some of the scenes in Escondido (described by Stanton) inserted, would certainly be welcome.
- spoiler ahead *
The ālongerā ending, starts where the MGM version ends, with Cord riding out of town.
Two bounty hunters are waiting for him so heās shot off his horse; while crawling and stumbling heās shot some four or five times more, in a scene that must have shocked many viewers (not to mention censors) in those days, and still remains quite sadistic today, probably because this film has - unlike most contemporary shockers - a āhuman edgeā and we want Cord to survive.
Sounds like a better ending than we actually get but not sure it would work too well either. After everything leading up to the amnesty it would make it all a bit pointless.
But this whole cut version thing is normal for spaghettis I guess. I donāt know if there are any films from this genre which were ever released in their entirety. Itās just that some suffer worse than others.
I follow the arguments about different running times and alternative endings in SWs.
Speaking for myself what I prefer to see in All SWs is :
- The LONGEST possible running time and completeness of the film.
- The HAPPIEST possible ending that rewards the viewer with justice/good
triumphing over evil. It is NOT satisfactory for example if RICHARD HARRISON
is pursuing the scum killers that slaughtered his wife/family and he fails to get even.
This is also important because the SW has give out a MESSAGE /COMMENT on life.
Negative ending man myself 100%, and hope to see the negative ending version someday.
[quote=āSARTANA DJANGO, post:30, topic:271ā]I follow the arguments about different running times and alternative endings in SWs.
Speaking for myself what I prefer to see in All SWs is :
- The LONGEST possible running time and completeness of the film.
- The HAPPIEST possible ending that rewards the viewer with justice/good
triumphing over evil. It is NOT satisfactory for example if RICHARD HARRISON
is pursuing the scum killers that slaughtered his wife/family and he fails to get even.
This is also important because the SW has give out a MESSAGE /COMMENT on life. :D[/quote]
I have mixed ideas on both statements:
ad 1. Of course I always like to see the longest version of a film, but I donāt think the longest is necessarily the best version. I had mixed feelings about the longer version of GBU; Okay, Leeās part and character were a bit fleshed out (a good thing), but some scenes didnāt add much to the movie, others were even a bit silly (the scene at the riverside in which Clint shoots one of Leeās men). I already talked about the Italian version of ONCE ā¦ : that version is some 15 mns longer but most people (me included) donāt think itās better than the international (MGM) version. Others have stated that the longer version of Apocalypse Now is a real let-down (donāt like the movie, so have no opinion), and people have been discussing for years about the different versions of Blade Runner and Alien : usually the shorter directorās cut of the movies is preferred.
ad 2. I think Peckinpah said something like āThe western is an universal frame in which you can comment on todayā. I have nothing against comments (in fact I think nearly all art of value is a comment some way or another, but Iām aware some people wonāt agree) but Iām not very fond of messages. Film, or art in general, should be reflective, not didactic, and a flimmakers should be perceptive, not moralistic. Art must be challenging, I donāt believe it has a constructive mission (it had such a mission within national socialism and marxism, and still has such a mission within Islam).
Sometimes a happy ending is preferable, sometimes a tragic one. In case of a genuine revenge movie, type Il Ritorno di Ringo or Oggi a me, domani a te! it would be quite bizarre if the avenger wouldnāt get even, but sometimes things arenāt that clear and filmmakers can vary on themes that are (over)familiar, the ending of Da Uomo a uomo/Death rides a horse is a perfect example: at first the film seems a genuine revenge movie, but there is an essential complication involving Van Cleef. Sette dollari sul Rosso is another, quite bizarre, variation on the revenge theme : itās the not so happy ending that sets the film apart.
And I couldnāt imagine Il grande Silenzio without the tragic ending, but maybe for you that ending is precisely the reason for disliking (or not wholeheartedly loving) it ā¦
I definitely donāt believe that the longest is always the best. Unlike you Scherp, I am a fan of Apocalypse Now, and the Redux longer version is not an improvement on the original in my opinion. On the contrary, some of the extra scenes add nothing to the film as a whole and I believe the pace of the original is far better.
I agree. A few of the shorter extra scenes added to the film a bit, but most of the extra footage was irrelevant. The French colonists in particular came across as a Peter Sellers/Inspector Cleaseau tribute act!
Those extra scenes with surfing board were also incredibly awkward i think.
Itās probably not the right place to discuss this movie, so Iāll keep it short.
Iāve seen it twice and donāt really hate it, but found it very pompous.
The helicopter attack is great and there are some compelling moments along the trip, but thatās exactly what I thought it was: a trip. It was perhaps meant to look or feel like one (I could imagine that Coppola saw the whole Vietnam war as one seemingly endless trip). Visually itās all stunning but it loses focus rather soon and goes overboard in an overblown finale, with the slaughter of an ox (I think it was an ox) and a driveling and stammering Brando.
But I have the idea that there are a lot of fans of the movie here ā¦
By the way: I read the book, so I know where this āthe horror, the horrorā comes from.
I find Apocalypse Now a very long winded film, and why this film is so highly rated is beyond me, as their are far better examples from the genre.
A MINUTE TO PRAY A SECOND TO DIE 1968 is a key SW from the 60s.
Alex Cord is superb in his role and Robert Ryan /Nicoletta Macchiavelli excel also.
I also found āApocalypse nowā very tedious, slow, overlong, predictable, forgettable.
I have no hesitation or doubt whatsoever that the BEST EVER WAR FILM for me is :
THE MERCENARIES / DARK OF THE SUN 1968 Directed By ; Jack Cardiff
ROD TAYLOR YVETTE MIMIEUX JIM BROWN Peter Carsten Andre Morell
There are at least 10 memorable/great scenes of humanity/cruelty/sacrifice/loyalty
There is an Electric screen bond between ROD TAYLOR / YVETTE MIMIEUX, magic.
There is a plot (from Wilbur Smith novel)/Direction/music/settings which are absolute
There is a classic āmercenaryā bond / loyalty between ROD TAYLOR/ JIM BROWN.
There is a very sad, catastrophic SW style ending with much honour, dignity, death.
Watch THE MERCENARIES 1968 and see it all for yourselfā¦ 
THE MERCENARIES / DARK OF THE SUN is an excellent movie on all counts!! Couldnāt agree with you more, Sartana Django. I think any SW fan would find plenty to like about it!
Right.
THE MERCENARIES/DARK OF THE SUN or, as it was called in Belgium (understandable if you know or colonial past) LAST TRAIN TO KATANGA is a great, violent, exciting war movie.
And yes, most SW fans will find plenty to like about it.
Spaghetti westerns, at least the gritty ones, were typical products of the era they were made in, the sixties, and so is this film.
I wonāt say it has a SW feeling, but the tough action and the cynical (anti-)heroes certainly are in the SW league.
Highly recommended !