Urgent search for 2 filmtitles


(jan) #1

Dear Members, pls. help me out with two filmtitles- who proves to be the expert who can find 2 filmtitles of two movies which are among the very best spaghetti westerns ever made. I lost my collection books while moving to Aruba in the dutch caribbean and would like to have these titles so I can buy the DVD’s for my collection.
Movie 1:
this one starts with a red background with in white color horses running and men shooting. This is really done in a Sergio Leone like style although I have never seen any proof of his involvement in the making of this movie- but I think he was. It was an early spaghetti western from probably 1964 or 1965. The opening scene has a man tied to a railroad and a train getting closer, similar to a scene in " A bullet for the General" but even better shot and early in the movie. The man has a round funny, sunbrown face, likeble, heavy set. There are no famous stars in this movie but I do feel that Leone was involved in the making of this movie. It was an excellent spaghetti western and I am so sorry that I lost the title name. I want the name badly so I can try to buy it on DVD. Any help is appreciated!! ( the movie title Johnny Hamlet is in my mind but I am really not sure!)
Movie 2:
In the opening scene Lee van Cleef frees a prisoner from a heavy labor camp and ties the prisoner behind
his famous beatiful black horse. The scene shows, shot from below on the ground, Lee van Cleef high on his horse
with a beautiful blue sky and sun as background. The prisoner as I remember could be either Guliana Gemma or Thomas Milian. Also an excellent spaghetti western which I would like to ad to my collection if it is available on DVD.
Who is the expert with enough knowledge and memory to help me with the titles???

I have been a fanatic of these westerns since I saw " For a Fistful of Dollars" and saw lines of people waiting in front of a cinema in Paris, I saw the special posters and billboard, sensed that this was something very special and different and decided to enter without having planned to go to the movies… I will never forget the sensational feeling I had when seeing the posters and billboard of Clint Eastwood and after the movie I knew I was hooked on the spaghetti westerns which I still enjoy today.
My best to all fans and sure hope to receive a reply to my questions.
Jan


(Bill san Antonio) #2

No idea for number 1.

Second one: hmm… Lee van Cleef made The Big Gundown with Milian and Day of Anger with Gemma but neither of these films have such a opening scene. Maybe you’re mixing two films together or something…
The Big Gundown has a scene where LVC ties Milian behind his horse so that could be the one you’re looking for.


(Lode) #3

Hm, Johnny Hamlet is from 1968…

And the second. I don’t know. Sounds a little bit like tha “Grand Duel”, but this one has no Gemma in it and even no Milian. (http://www.spaghetti-western.net/index.php/Grande_Duello%2C_Il)

The western were LvC and Gemma are co-starring is “Day of Anger”. The LvC-Milian-one is “Big Gundown”.

I’m sorry, but I am sure others can help :wink:


(Reverend Danite) #4

[quote=“jan, post:1, topic:1067”]Movie 1:
( the movie title Johnny Hamlet is in my mind but I am really not sure!)[/quote]
I watched Johnny Hamlet last night and you can safely rule that one out as there are no similarities of any note.
I think, as with BSA that you’ve maybe got different films mixed together and I would consider his guesses as well as Lode’s on this. (Other requests for info on long ago seen films have usually ended up to be hybrid memories). I’ve done it myself as well.
Sorry - I can’t help you any more - but good luck.


(Durango) #5

yes the second one sounds like Day of Anger… or The Big Gundown. A Lee van Cleef movie that starts out in a heavy labor camp is El Condor, but he doesn’t free anyone, although a prisoner manages to escape. Maybe you’re mixing up two of these?

I’d suggest you watch the trailers at youtube, then you’ll know soon enough if it’s the one you’re looking for. you can find the trailers for many westerns there (just type the name of the movie and ‘trailer’ in the search box).


(Silence) #6

[quote=“jan, post:1, topic:1067”]Movie 1:
this one starts with a red background with in white color horses running and men shooting. This is really done in a Sergio Leone like style although I have never seen any proof of his involvement in the making of this movie- but I think he was. It was an early spaghetti western from probably 1964 or 1965. The opening scene has a man tied to a railroad and a train getting closer, similar to a scene in " A bullet for the General" but even better shot and early in the movie. The man has a round funny, sunbrown face, likeble, heavy set. There are no famous stars in this movie but I do feel that Leone was involved in the making of this movie. It was an excellent spaghetti western and I am so sorry that I lost the title name. I want the name badly so I can try to buy it on DVD. Any help is appreciated!! ( the movie title Johnny Hamlet is in my mind but I am really not sure!)[/quote]

If this guy was in the movie it was Johnny Hamlet.