The Last Western You Watched? ver.2.0

Hard Times was a really good Bronson flick.

I think so too. I think it deserved a sequel.

You might want to check out ā€œHour of the Gun (1967)ā€ with a good James Garner as Wyatt Earp, the cast with the likes of Jason Robards and Robert Ryan are equally good in it.

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Thanks for the recommendation, I’ll check it out. I’m planning on taking a dive into a lot of older American westerns I’ve never seen, so this fits nicely. I see its a John Sturges film.

You should autephex, there’s lots of good old American Westerns out there to be seen. Even stanton would agree to that, i think. :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

My favourite on the subject is Doc even though I didn’t personally agree with the angle. Typical of the 70s, it tries to make Wyatt Earp and Doc Holliday into semi-villains without any real proof but it’s a well-made film with a terrific performance from Stacy Keach.

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Trend of the times I guess.
I was surprised how much I enjoyed Garner as Wyatt Earp.

Just finished the American Experience documentary on Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid, which had initially spurred me to watch the film. Interesting that some of the true bits made it into the movie, as well as the Blackthorn film. Also interesting that they had killed each other in a murder/suicide during the stand-off shootout, unlike the film. These docs are pretty good, all available on Amazon Prime.

It also reminded me why I have been turned off to a lot of American classic westerns - I like outlaws & anti-heroes, I don’t like the good guys which are often the central roles in the classics. Not just because its a ā€œcoolā€ thing but because in life I identify with people forced to the outskirts, and the ideals portrayed in the classics are the kinds of BS I hate.

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I think the moral heroes of the classic films l use the term ā€˜white Knight of the plains’ are the production of the Hays code, that God awful must do-not do manual for Hollywood. Also guys like John Wayne did get his own views across in his films. (see Big Jim McClain)
Those outsider characters you speak of are often far more interesting. And when you relate to them you believe in them. I personally like the redemption stories involving outlaws and anti-heroes.

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For less BS or Bollocks as we say in the UK, I think the Errol Flynn westerns are more tolerable.

Why ā€œevenā€?

This biography was written at the height of Bronson’s fame so it has a good section covering his time in Europe, particularly France. :fr:

Going back to the constest who’s best actor, betwwen Eastwood and Bronson, I like Bronson a lot a very physical type of actor, underrated in some stages of his acting career too good to be a simple charater actor and not a first choice for the main part except in some specific films, becaming typecast. But Eastwood was/is overall a best actor IMO, in all the Dirty Harry he’s better than any of the viglilante films of Bronson, and I don’t see Bronson pulling off something like the Bridges of Madison County. Anyway despite of who’s better Bronson still one of the favorites for me, I like to watch his flms regardeless the acting capacity.

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You’d think Stanton had a reputation for hating everything! :rofl:

I feel the same way El Topo.

I was thinking that maybe you’re a fan of older American Westerns and your knowledge on some of them, that’s all,… my mistake for pointing you out then…carry on. :zipper_mouth_face:

I don’t think I will ever have you worked out. You will always keep people on their toes.

I think @stanton was just a bit puzzled about the usage of the word ā€œevenā€ and what it implies about his general agreeableness maybe :sweat_smile:

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Re: Bronson v Eastwood

I love Bronson and I think he’s a great actor, capable of more than just stone faced coldness. But I think Eastwood wins this match up. Not so much because he’s a better actor, but because he just has more presence, largely due to the way he looks. Bronson, no matter how good his acting skills could ever be, would never be able to make the same kind of facial expressions as Eastwood because he just doesn’t have the same face. Eastwood just looks better on screen, and he has the kind of charisma that somehow transfers to his screen presence. Bronson does also, but not quite as much

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Bronson on his looks:
ā€œmy face? It probably looks like a quarry someone has dynamited.ā€
ā€œI was born looking a hundred so I’ll never ageā€
ā€œI’m too masculine. Hollywood has an ideal for their actors so I guess I’m no one’s idealā€.

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