thanks btw
[quote=âStanton, post:140, topic:709â]I donât think that many of the baddies in SWs have good sides too.
And frankly said most SWs donât have any kind of characterizations (but thatâs not a problem for the films, there ainât anything missing).
You may say that heroes who have their bad sides are more realistic, but in general SW are not born out of the real life, but out of other films, which already were not really based on the real world (or the world from which we think that it is the real world).
SWs are only seldom character driven films.[/quote]
Many films, italian or not, donât have any kind of characterization at all, itâs not a phenomenon that occurs exclusively in SW and Iâve seen a hell of a lot of films with characterizations as thin as a newspaper, but yes I agree that the majority of them is lacking one.
And, of course, the situations described in them are not based in the real word and neither most of the acts of the characters do, what I am saying and what it closer to real life is that there are no black and white type of characters, good guys have their darker side and bad guys are not total rascals either. Havenât seen as many US westerns as some of you have, but from what Iâve seen so far, I can recall some where especially the good guys were so unbelievably good that it became annoying.
Yes, can be annoying.
[quote=âION BRITTON, post:142, topic:709â]Many films, italian or not, donât have any kind of characterization at all, itâs not a phenomenon that occurs exclusively in SW and Iâve seen a hell of a lot of films with characterizations as thin as a newspaper, but yes I agree that the majority of them is lacking one.
And, of course, the situations described in them are not based in the real word and neither most of the acts of the characters do, what I am saying and what it closer to real life is that there are no black and white type of characters, good guys have their darker side and bad guys are not total rascals either. Havenât seen as many US westerns as some of you have, but from what Iâve seen so far, I can recall some where especially the good guys were so unbelievably good that it became annoying.[/quote]
Yes, I know what you mean. Films with unbelievably good heroes tend to be very boring. Still, most of the US westerns I have seen are not of that type.
Maybe more this evening âŚ
In the old B westerns of the 30s and 40s, the unbelievably good hero was quite the trademark (Lesley Selanderâs âBuckskin Frontierâ averts this trope surprisingly well). Dunno about the A westerns of the period, weirdly enough I know the B(s) a lot better the A(s).
B films are ALWAYS the best ::).
Thatâs right, these simplified type of heroes was mainly done in B-pictures
I thought it would be Spaghetti Westerns Vs. Macaroni Westerns ;D
But Iâm gona have to go with Spaghetti they started the goods then the american ones started to get better also
I like to say this when I play Fight Night ( a boxing game ) when using Jake Lamotta my favorite boxer
" Yo Us Italians gota show you how to box & show you guys how to make westerns too "
" YA DIDNT KNOCK ME DOWN RAY, YA DIDNT KNOCK ME DOWN "
[quote=ânatos99, post:148, topic:709â]I like to say this when I play Fight Night ( a boxing game ) when using Jake Lamotta my favorite boxer
" Yo Us Italians gota show you how to box & show you guys how to make westerns too "
" YA DIDNT KNOCK ME DOWN RAY, YA DIDNT KNOCK ME DOWN "[/quote]
LaMotta wouldâve destroyed any of todayâs middleweights. Too bad I still only have xbox.
For instance when I read Shobaryâs reviews of films, he seems to penalize a film if it is âtoo Americanâ. On the other hand, I noticed some reviews written by Americans who seem to dismiss any Spaghetti Western outside of the Leone films as Campy B Westerns.
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[quote=â7528620xs, post:150, topic:709â]For instance when I read Shobaryâs reviews of films, he seems to penalize a film if it is âtoo Americanâ. On the other hand, I noticed some reviews written by Americans who seem to dismiss any Spaghetti Western outside of the Leone films as Campy B Westerns.
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yeh hes pretty awesome I like to pick him vs heavy weights in the game cause he can take such big hits 8)
The better SWs were like operas with their music, stylistic rituals, religious images, images of death, and so on.
The old US westerns were more ordinary movies so to speak, and a bit more romantic than SWs. The music was just standard forgettable movie music.
The 70s US westerns were often revisionist westerns with a sort of realistic âkitchen sinkâ view of the wild west era. They were more violent than before, but otherwise didnât borrow much from SWs I think.
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Yes, they didnât.
They developed the themes of the older US westerns into bleak pessimism.
Interesting topic.
I like American Westerns but prefer SWs. I think SWs are more interesting and there are more unique stories and characters in SWs than in American Westerns. I also think the music is better in SWs.
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I like both.
The 10 or 20 most fascinating westerns for me are a mixture of both worlds. But despite enjoying westerns form all decades, I prefer the ones from the 60s and 70s, most of my personal best come from these 2 decades.
Actually, most of my favourite US westerns were made in the second half of the 1950s, while my favourite SWs are mainly from the second half of the 1960s.
Well for the Spags this ainât no big surprise, that was their time. The great time of the US westerns ran from 1939 to 1976.
Which are your favourite US westerns?
Well, there arenât really any unknown surprises in my list. If you go by directors, almost all westerns between, say, '54 and '59 by Mann, Daves, Sturges, and of course the Ranown cycle, are a joy to watch for me. And Vera Cruz.
If you want some titles of minor films, I like The Last of the Fast Guns (could have used a more charismatic lead actor) pretty much. I also think that From Hell to Texas could have been an absolute classic of the genre if they had not forced a strange romance into the film. It brings everything to a halt, itâs almost like a prolonged intermission.
I donât expect real surprises in best of lists, there is a reason why some became classics and others not. But still we donât like all the same films, and there are some classics I donât like that much. Like The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance or Mag 7.
But generally I also enjoy the westerns of Mann, Boetticher, Daves and Sturges, well most of them.
And From Hell to Texas was one which got better for me on my last re-watch. Hmm, the love story was ok, but I would have preferred a more charismatic lead. One of a hundred westerns that would have benefitted from Robert Mitchum âŚ