Nothing about ticket prices, but for inflation rate I just noticed that from year to year there is increasing number of films that gross over 800 million Lire. So a film may rank in the top 50 for that year with a gross of 400 million Lire in 1966 but by 1975, a film grossing 400 million lir might only rank in the top 80 or 90 top grossing films for that year. Thats why I think ranking the films based for that particular year is useful.
1973-1978 (46)
- Mio Nome E’ Nessuno 3620
- Zorro 2730
- Genio Due Compari Un Pollo 2684
- Bianco Il Giallo Il Nero 1898
- Keoma 1572
- Cipolla Colt 1191
- Ci Risiamo Vero Provvidenza? 1172
- Valdez Il Mezzosangue 1162
- Quattro Dell’Apocalisse 898
- California 785
- Giubbe Rosse 732
- Lo Chiamavano Tresette 726
- Storia Di Karate’ Pugnie Fagioli 725
- Tutti Per Uno Botee Per Tutti 598
- La’ Dove Non Batte Il Sole 551
- Sogno Di Zorro 544
- Il Grande Duello 512
I combined the years 73-78 because SW’s were so sparse during this time. The genre was pretty much dead at this point. Not even Gemma could save it. Silver Saddle Bombed and California did ok but not great.
Good work again Col DM and sad to see the decline of the SW.
Among the plain/dull Comedy SWs there were still some
HIGH QUALITY SWS such as:
- ZORRO 1975 Alain Delon Excellent acting, plot, music is fab.
- KEOMA 1976 Franco Nero Fair Django return film, not bad.
- VALDEZ HORSES 1973 Charles Bronson Beautiful film , Bronson superb.
- FOUR OF THE APOCALYPSE 1975 Fabio Testi . Western/Horror from master FULCI.
11.GIUBBE ROSSE/RED COATS 1974 Fabio Testi. Very entertaining with Lynne Frederick
12.LO CHIAMAVANO TRESETTE 1973 George Hilton. Lighthearted, gimmicky Western
15.LA DOVE NON BATTE IL SOLE 1976 Lee Van Cleef Good Western/martial arts tale.
17.IL GRANDE DUELLO 1972 Lee Van Cleef Exciting plot, with Horst Frank.
Of course!
As far as I know the inflationrate was much higher in Italy than in other european countries, the Lira was a very unstable currency. (Someone with more information?)
The only way for a fair comparison is to dertermine the amount of sold tickets or spectators.
In Germany all the hitlists are made of spectator numbers.
Sadly there is not much information from the heydays of SWs (for now).
Most successful were Once upon a Time in the West and Trinity Is Still My Name.
Reading in Marco Giusti’s DIZIONARIO I found a possible reason for DJANGO not being as succesful as many of us thought it must have been
The film had an ‘VM 18’ rating (not suitable for people under the age of 18)
Spaghetti westerns were particularly popular among what Giusti calls ‘I ragazzi’ (the boys) so an ‘18’ rating could harm the chances of a film consirably. Another ‘18’ movie was Se sei vivo, spara! (Django Kill!),
Other films like Navajo Joe weren’t succesful first, due to this ‘18 rating’, and did better after some cuts were made and the film had received the desired ‘14’ rating
Cuts to avoid an ‘18’ rating were also made in Death rides a Horse, Arizona Colt and Today it’s me, tomorrow it’s you (I already mentioned this cut in my review); often they tried to hide those cuts with music: loud music was played over the place where the cut was made.
In Germany nearly every Spag had an 18 rating in the 60s.
In Holland too, but in Italy they apparently were more lenient and I thought these Box Office results were Italian
HAHAHAHAHA That’s hilarious!
Yes, the box office was only from Italy.
Col.,
I converted the titles from Italian to English. Thanks again for posting all this info! My work here was simply for the benefit of all the English-only speakers (like me!) out there. Frequently there were more than one suitable English title so I chose the one I am most familiar with and/or the English title on the DVD I own. I had heard of (although not seen) all of these except the scary sounding “Karate, Fists, and Beans”. I tried to pair up the English/Italian names in this post but the formatting did not look right.
Thanks again,
RF
1964
Fistful of Dollars 3182
1965
1 For a Few Dollars More 3492
2 One Silver Dollar 1591
3 Adios Gringo 1577
4 A Pistol For Ringo 1352
5 Return Of Ringo 1318
6 $100,000 For Ringo 1236
7 For a Fist In The Eye 826
8 Two Sergeants Of General Custer 817
9 Among Vultures 633
10 Relentless Four 596
11 Tramplers 545
12 Blood At Sundown/Why Go On Killing 517
13 In A Colt’s Shadow 509
14 Man With The Golden Pistol 503
15 Stranger In Sacramento 487
1966
1 The Good, The Bad & The Ugly 3211
2 Fort Yuma Gold 1310
3 Arizona Colt/Man From Nowhere 1249
4 Django 1026
5 Seven Guns For The MacGregors 976
6 Texas, Adios 903
7 Massacre Time 849
8 Seven Dollars On The Red 840
9 Two Sons of Ringo 798
10 A Bullet For The General 687
11 The Bounty Killer 649
12 Some Dollars For Django 642
13 $1,000 On The Black/Blood At Sundown 608
14 Ringo: The Face Of Revenge 601
15 Django Shoots First 589
16 Sugar Colt 571
17 For $1,000 A Day 549
18 Viva Maria 543
19 Yankee 528
20 Johnny Yuma 526
1967
1 God Forgives…I Don’t 2067
2 Day Of Anger 1997
3 The Big Gundown 1441
4 Death Rides A Horse 1262
5 Wanted 1133
6 Face To Face 1117
7 Long Days Of Vengeance 1072
8 Any Gun Can Play 952
9 The Handsome, The Ugly & The Stupid 831
10 Hate For Hate 711
11 Greatest Robbery In The West 664
12 Seven Women For The MacGregors 646
13 Man Who Killed Billy The Kid 565
14 32 Caliber Killer 563
15 Red Blood, Yellow Gold 524
16 Two R-R-Ringos From Texas 509
17 $10,000 Blood Money 470
18 Kill And Pray 470
19 Cjamango 467
20 The Dirty Outlaws 466
21 Time Of Vultures 451
22 Clint The Loner 447
23 Gentleman Killer 422
24 Pistoleros 412
25 Killer Kid 396
1968
1 Once Upon A Time In The West 2504
2 Ace high 2226
3 For A Roof A Sky Full Of Stars 1146
4 The Mercenary 1101
5 Run Man Run 1000
6 Today It’s Me, Tomorrow You 941
7 Beyond The Law 897
8 Guns Of San Sebastian 845
9 Sartana 823
10 Nephews Of Zorro 762
11 Get The Coffin Ready 683
12 Kill Them All And Come Back Alone 644
13 Twice A Judas 512
14 Killer Goodbye 476
15 The Ruthless Four 476
16 Johnny Hamlet 469
17 I Came, I Saw, I Shot 451
18 Man Who Cried For Revenge 432
19 Between God, The Devil & A Winchester 405
20 May God Forgive You But I Won’t 386
21 All Out 385
22 Machine Gun Killers 380
23 Sartana Does Not Forgive 378
24 Vengeance 377
25 Cry For Revenge 369
1969
1 Boot Hill 1742
2 Price Of Power 1274
3 Alive Or Preferably Dead 1202
4 Sabata 1117
5 Blood & Guns/Tepepa 859
6 Cangaceiro 775
7 Five Man Army 705
8 I Am Sartana Your Angel Of Death 684
9 The Forgotten Pistolero 599
10 Cemetery Without Crosses 499
11 No Room To Die 493
12 A Bullet For Sandoval 463
13 Dead Are Countless/Garringo 459
14 The Stranger’s Gundown 431
15 God Will Forgive My Pistol 354
1970
1 They Call Me Trinity 3104
2 Companeros 1452
3 Adios, Sabata 930
4 I Am Sartana, Trade Your Guns For A Coffin 642
5 The Unholy Four 512
6 Have A Nice Funeral, Sartana Will Pay 483
7 Fighters From Ave Maria 469
8 Light The Fuse…Sartana Is Coming 459
9 And God Said To Cain 444
10 Trinity Sees Red 436
11 Sartana Kills Them All 415
12 Arizona Colt Returns 406
1971
1 Trinity Is Still My Name 6088
2 Red Sun 2970
3 Duck, You Sucker 2465
4 Don’t Turn The Other Cheek 1061
5 Heads You Die, Tails I Kill You 789
6 Return Of Sabata 739
7 Bad Man’s River 614
8 They Call Him Cemetery 522
1972
1 Man Of The East 3367
2 A Reason To Live, A Reason To Die 1960
3 It Can Be Done Amigo 1598
4 Sometimes Life Is Hard, Right Providence? 1340
5 What Am I Doing In The Middle Of The Revolution? 1186
6 Ben & Charlie 1138
7 Return Of Halleluja 718
8 Sting Of The West 685
9 Two Sons Of Trinity 647
10 Anything For A Friend 505
1973-1978
1 My Name Is Nobody 3620
2 Zorro 2730
3 Genius/Nobody’s The Greatest 2684
4 The White, The Yellow & The Black 1898
5 Keoma 1572
6 Cry Onion/Cipolla Colt 1191
7 Here We Go Again, Eh Providence? 1172
8 Chino 1162
9 Four Of The Apocalypse 898
10 California 785
11 Red Coat 732
12 Man Called Invincible 726
13 Karate, Fists and Beans 725
14 Three Musketeers Of The West 598
15 Stranger & The Gunfighter 551
16 Grandsons Of Zorro 544
17 The Grand Duel 512
Col:
Do you have numbers for these films?
Apocalypse Joe/ Leopoldo Savona
Coffin For The Sheriff/ Mario Caiano
Dallas/ Ignacio Iquino
Last Tomahawk/ Harald Reinl
Man Called Django/ Edoardo Mulargia
Sabata The Killer/ Tullio Demichelli
Shango/ Edoardo Mulargia
Stranger In Paso Bravo/ Salvatore Rosso
Tequila/ Tullio Demichelli
Too Much Gold For One Gringo/ Ignacio Iquino
Train For Durango/ Mario Caiano
Two Pistols And A Coward/ Georgio Ferroni
Thank you!
we should add all these numbers into the db, have a subpage boxoffice/business or something like the imdb with exact release dates, shooting locations, box office gross etc
edit: i added this to our GBU page, take a look at it and let me know what you think. i guess most of the popular pages could get a subpage like that
[quote=“Sebastian, post:72, topic:851”]we should add all these numbers into the db, have a subpage boxoffice/business or something like the imdb with exact release dates, shooting locations, box office gross etc
edit: i added this to our GBU page, take a look at it and let me know what you think. i guess most of the popular pages could get a subpage like that[/quote]
A subpage called boxoffice/business is a very useful addition for a movie page
Still, I think a page with a list of all these box office grosses (so a list like Col. Mortimer and Romaine Fielding did) have made, is more essential
I’ve been visiting this thread on a regular base to check how films did at the box office initially
The results were often quite surprising, in the first place in comparison to results of other movies
It’s very surprising, and interesting, to read that Forty Yuma Gold initially was far more succesful than Django
What I mean to say is that those results are mainly interesting in relation to other results
yeah a separate page would even be more helpful, I agree
[quote=“Romaine Fielding, post:71, topic:851”]Col:
Do you have numbers for these films?
Apocalypse Joe/ Leopoldo Savona
Coffin For The Sheriff/ Mario Caiano
Dallas/ Ignacio Iquino
Last Tomahawk/ Harald Reinl
Man Called Django/ Edoardo Mulargia
Sabata The Killer/ Tullio Demichelli
Shango/ Edoardo Mulargia
Stranger In Paso Bravo/ Salvatore Rosso
Tequila/ Tullio Demichelli
Too Much Gold For One Gringo/ Ignacio Iquino
Train For Durango/ Mario Caiano
Two Pistols And A Coward/ Georgio Ferroni
Thank you![/quote]
Hey Romaine, send me a PM with your email address. I’ll send you a document that me and Stanton did.
Any Germans here who have any idea how to get German box office data?
We seriously need German data. Italian box office is good, but not too indicative of a movie’s true worldwide success.
I gotta know, whatwere the takings for…
Matalo
Shoot the Living, Pray for the Dead
Today WeKill, Tomorrow We Die
Beyond the Law
Forgotten Pistolero
Carambola
I’ll have to borrow that book from the library again and I’ll let you know
Matalo
89 mio Lire =ca 273 000 spectators
Shoot the Living, Pray for the Dead
205 mio =ca 531 100
Today We Kill, Tomorrow We Die
941 mio =ca 3 148 000
Beyond the Law
897 mio =ca 2 980 000
Forgotten Pistolero
599 mio =ca 1 810 000
Carambola
? ?
Guess not many people liked Matalo!