Still, Jill(according to the script) was a whore, and that seemed to give Leone license to smack her around a bit. The Elizabeth McGovern character in OUTIA is the only virtuous woman in a post-peplum Leone film, and she is graphically raped. He portrayed rape prior to this, but never with the eager brutality of OUTIA.
Dutch Engstrom, it seems to me you yourself have an issue with women :-\
[quote=“Silvanito, post:22, topic:649”]Dutch Engstrom, it seems to me you yourself have an issue with women :-[/quote]We’re talking about movies and filmmakers here. Stay on topic Ify.
Dutch Engstrom what is the purpose of starting the exact same topics on this forum that are already on your own website?
And according to your own words quoted (below) from your website, you describe this forum as 'zoo-like atmosphere '?
THE FOLLOWING IS QUOTED FROM THE WEBSITE ( http://tectorgorch.proboards74.com/ ) OF Dutch Engstrom :
yesterday at 10:09am, johnnyyuma wrote:A couple.
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Both good in their own fields. I’ve seen you at the Spaghetti western forum. Can’t mistake those pictures!
LOL, SWforum is an off-shoot of Tarantino Boards. I got tired of the zoo-like atmosphere there, and I’m up on westerns anyway, so I joined SW net. Have you ever been to Fistful of Leone? They used to be pretty good, although they have their share of buffoons. You’ll see a few of my topics here over on Seb’s site. Figure I might as well get my money’s worth out of them.
Talking of staying on topic in a more general way…apart from starting a discussion on Leone’s “sexual politics”, most of your other posts seem to be concerned with US westerns or thrillers. This IS a site mailnly dedicated to Spaghetti westerns…have you not seen many?
Oh and re the comment about women being historically stronger back then. Well maybe they had to do more manual labour, but overall health and fitness would have been poorer…and having 10 kids would weaken the body over time… There aren’t many women around who would actively choose to have that many!
I dont know about Leone having a problem with women(sounds like typical overevaluation to me)…but i think its evident mr.engstrom has a problem with Leone…this is the same type of pseudo intellectual b.s used to justify ones disdain for a paticular artist or work of art that destroyed the “fine arts”.
[quote=“ENNIOO, post:24, topic:649”]Dutch Engstrom what is the purpose of starting the exact same topics on this forum that are already on your own website?
And according to your own words quoted (below) from your website, you describe this forum as 'zoo-like atmosphere '?
LOL, SWforum is an off-shoot of Tarantino Boards. I got tired of the zoo-like atmosphere there, and I’m up on westerns anyway, so I joined SW net. [/quote] That site is just beginning, so there aren’t a lot of members to read those topics yet. The zoo-like atmosphere I was refering to was at Tarantino, not here(although I’m beginning to wonder.[quote=“Silver, post:25, topic:649”]Talking of staying on topic in a more general way…apart from starting a discussion on Leone’s “sexual politics”, most of your other posts seem to be concerned with US westerns or thrillers. This IS a site mailnly dedicated to Spaghetti westerns…have you not seen many?[/quote] I’ve seen as many as are accessable here in the States. Have I seen as many as a fan of the genre in France, GB, or Italy. Obviously, no! Do you want me to start threads on films I’m not familiar with? (Tepepa, What’s it About?) All the films I posted about tie into Italian westerns, one way or another. You need to remember that most SW’s are a sub-genre of the Action category, and were appropriately placed in the saloon area where they belong. And most SW directors kept close watch on American films and their trends. To create a database about SW’s, you have to have a database about US westerrns and action films. Or would you rather I start threads about Steel Magnolias and Places of the Heart? [quote=“JONAH HEX, post:26, topic:649”]I dont know about Leone having a problem with women(sounds like typical overevaluation to me)…but i think its evident mr.engstrom has a problem with Leone…this is the same type of pseudo intellectual b.s used to justify ones disdain for a paticular artist or work of art that destroyed the “fine arts”.[/quote] If I had a problem with Leone, would I belong to this forum? Maybe, you have a problem with the questions in this thread? But, that’s your business.
I've seen as many as are accessable here in the States. Have I seen as many as a fan of the genre in France, GB, or Italy. Obviously, no!
Well, fans of the genre in France, GB, or Italy have obviously seen as many as are accessable in their countries France, GB, or Italy… :
And most SW directors kept close watch on American films and their trends.
They did ???
To create a database about SW's, you have to have a database about US westerrns and action films. Or would you rather I start threads about Steel Magnolias and Places of the Heart?
You can start a database about US westerns and action films if you feel it’s neccessary, but why here?
Yes, the SW’s came about as a result of US westerns but you don’t need a database of these films to build an SW site upon. There are already sites for US westerns. And i’m sure there are many films available in the States…certainly more than are available in the UK. I have to get most of mine through US suppliers as it is. And if you haven’t seen many then this is surely the place to find out more?
[quote=“Silvanito, post:28, topic:649”]Well, fans of the genre in France, GB, or Italy have obviously seen as many as are accessable in their countries France, GB, or Italy… :
They did ???
You can start a database about US westerns and action films if you feel it’s neccessary, but why here?[/quote] Leone carried many books on his sets about the American west and Westerns. He was a stickler for detail, and wanted his movies as authentic as possible. I’m sure other director’s followed suit. I very much doubt that anyone over the age of 40, in Italy, has seen fewer SWs than an American. Why here? For the reasons I explained in my previous post, that you partially quoted me on. I’ve seen threads on Tarantino in here. What does he have to do,directly, with SWs, other than being a fan of them?
I don’t think you’ve seen many spaghettis besides the ones by Leone, but you can easily get dozens of them from online stores if you’re really interested 
It’s ok to mention Tarantino in the Off Topic section, just like other films and other stuff!
This is actually interesting topic, I don’t see why discussion here starts to become so personal.
Leone made his west different on purpose compared to american westerns and one thing he criticized in american westerns were the “inevitable women”. In Leone’s westerns there was no really important part for the women (Jill in Outitw is exception because she is in the film to symbolize the death of the old “man’s world”).
But I do believe that Leone was kind of misogynist which really shows in Once upon…America.
Not clear you were refering to the Tarantino site, but if you say this is correct, I am sure people will believe you.
So do you think you are going to get many members at your site?
Must be difficult running a site if you spend alot of time at another forum, but like you say you do not have many members.
But I do believe that Leone was kind of misogynist which really shows in Once upon...America.
Well, then it’s really fortunate we have Corbucci and others, who had a lot of big roles for women in their films
I don’t think it’s that discussions here becaome personal; it’s just that some people are obviously finding it strange that someone should sign up to an SW forum to then mainly discuss non SW films is all. (And Hey, i didn’t take all that lynching stuff personally :D, I think this forum is a lot more “polite” than many others).
[quote=“Silvanito, post:31, topic:649”]I don’t think you’ve seen many spaghettis besides the ones by Leone, but you can easily get dozens of them from online stores if you’re really interested 
It’s ok to mention Tarantino in the Off Topic section, just like other films and other stuff![/quote] I’ve seen around 40(and, no, I’m not going to name them all for you). A drop in the bucket, when you consider there is around 400 legit Sw’s, and hundreds more Winnetous and other Euro-Westerns.[quote=“ENNIOO, post:33, topic:649”]Not clear you were refering to the Tarantino site, but if you say this is correct, I am sure people will believe you.
So do you think you are going to get many members at your site?
Must be difficult running a site if you spend alot of time at another forum, but like you say you do not have many members.[/quote] I may get as many as this site currently has. Who knows? Thousands of members does not equate to thousands of quality posts, or a civil atmosphere. It’s not difficult to run, when you work the bugs out before you open the doors, and I go in and flesh out 4-5 topics daily. I’m involved in more complex sites than that one, so writing stories about what I love is not that difficult.[quote=“Silver, post:35, topic:649”]I don’t think it’s that discussions here becaome personal; it’s just that some people are obviously finding it strange that someone should sign up to an SW forum to then mainly discuss non SW films is all. (And Hey, i didn’t take all that lynching stuff personally :D, I think this forum is a lot more “polite” than many others).[/quote] I have been thru some of the threads on SWs that interest me, and didn’t find that much dialogue that interested me. Some of the threads began simply “I just saw Whatever last night, boy, was that good!” How, exactly do you respond to that?
Hmmm…that just sounds like the threads concerning what people watched last.
[quote=“Silver, post:37, topic:649”]Hmmm…that just sounds like the threads concerning what people watched last.[/quote] No, I’ve been checking thread histories before I start threads, and I’ve tripped over 5 or 6 started just that way. You might as well type the name of a movie, and put in a smiley! And a thread about what you watched the night before, is about as valid as a thread about what you ate last night, to me.
Well, let’s face it. Generally when people mention a film they have just seen or bought, they tend to state whether they liked it or not. They should probably then go into why, rather than just leave it at that i guess…
For my money, I value this forum as a place where I can talk about stuff that interests me with other people who share those interests. My family love me but frankly get bored witless when I want to rant about Volonte’s performance in Quien sabe? or Leone’s use of comic book style composition. I also value it for the depth of knowledge and opinion of it’s members. I’ve learned a lot since joining up and have been able to access a lot of films I would never have been able to without the info and advice gained from this forum.
My policy on posting is a simple one. If I see a thread with a post that interests me I respond. If not I ignore it. If I have an opinion I want to share I post it. If someone disagrees I welcome the debate. And if someone just wants to say “I saw this movie last night and it was great” it’s ok with me. I’m not here to get into fights.
Can we just get along?