[quote=“autephex, post:1, topic:1684”]Apologies if this has been discussed somewhere already… I tried doing a search and didn’t come up with anything, although I wasn’t quite sure what to search for…
This is something I’ve been curious about for a while, something featured in nearly all spaghettis- when a horse “dives” into the ground, many times flipping over and sending the rider off… Anyone know how these are done? Is this something the horses are trained to do? I always figured it was, but many times it doesn’t look like something the horse would willingly do and often looks painful… but maybe that’s just how it looks?
Every time my girlfriend sees one of these she’s convinced they’re hurting the horses- she tends to exaggerate anything involving animals ever since I told her about Canniabl Holocaust… but then I started paying more attention to these scenes and it got me wondering
This kind of thing has since been done many times outside of spaghettis, and obviously it wouldn’t be if it involved hurting the horses, but I haven’t paid any attention to the scenes in newer films so I’m not really sure if they are done the same or not[/quote]
The methods used for those kinds of stunts did seem pretty cruel. The use of trip wires and “toe taps” was probably the most common. They were usually employed by the rider, (ie the wires were cuffed around the horses ankles and then attached either to the riders legs/stirrups, or in the case of toe taps the rider controlled the wire by hand) and at the given time they would pull the animals’ head to one side and then use the dvice to sweep their front legs out from under them. For those scenes where you see horses go over the edge of a cliff into water, they used tilt shutes (obviously no horse is going to willingly go over the edge unless it was their only means of escape from something!). I believe these days they only use specially trained horses, and take them over the area to accustom them to it, then put soft pads around their hooves, and the fall spot is usually where a hole has been dug and padded out. I heard they also sometimes tape their mouths to prevent biting accidents. They are also trained to deal with loud noises and flares etc, and fall scenes are actually done slowly and then sped up for the film.
In the case of Heaven’s Gate, that horse had explosives actually placed under it’s saddle. It wasn’t killed outright but was so severely injured that it had to be put down.
To be honest i don’t like watching horsefalls…it really makes me cringe to see a bad one, and i don’t believe animals should be forced to things that are contrary to their natures. That said, i don’t see the point in chopping scenes from films that were made years ago…unless it’s apparent that the animal has been seriously injured or killed. I don’t really think it should still being done now, despite all the extra precautions and training but i guess at least it’s not nearly as bad as it used to be…