Big Gundown DVD

[quote=“Søren, post:100, topic:1455”]I have never understood why a lawyer should make more money than a cleaning lady or a garbage collector for that matter so it sounds like you live in a decent place, Mr. Mortimer.

And I kid you not. Why the worst/hardest jobs should be paid the least I have never and will never understand… Sometime ago someone has beaten the notion into people that a longer education should warrant a substantially higher pay and all the benefits. Its an unfair and unjust world we live in. Equal pay for all ![/quote]

Maybe, So/ren, but they tried to apply this principle in quite a few countries, and it didn’t work

In the perfect and just world it will work just fine :slight_smile:

Maybe equal pay is a far-fetched dream but a society where there wasn’t that big a distance between the highest and lowest rung on the ladder should be something worth working for.

But of course as Cohen put it:

The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
Thats how it goes
Everybody knows

Good point you make Soren. In a just world everybody should get paid according to how hard they work. But that world is not ours. reckon in most places Lawyers make more money than the cleaning lady because he has built up the qualifications for himself. He has spent an additional 4 years in school after university and passed a multitude of exams. The cleaning lady did not. So, in a way, he deserves more because he invested the time to get his degree and is being rewarded for his work to achieve that status more so than the cleaning lady. Of course the cleaning lady is equally hard working and also does a fine contribution to society, but she did not have to go through 8 years of schooling to get that job.

But that still doesn’t take away from your excellent point Soren, that the gap between rich and poor is indeed getting wider, and the rich is naturally to blame for that.

[quote=“Søren, post:102, topic:1455”]The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
Thats how it goes
Everybody knows[/quote]

man, don’t even get me started :smiley:

i make enough money to live and that’s about it… i still buy stuff but just end up with a lot of debt, so i actually don’t make enough to be buying things… meanwhile i work for one of the biggest corporations around, doing low paying, soul killing grunt work to keep the rich rich, as you (Cohen) say

tried to go to school to get out of this situation… went a few years while working full time night shift (work 8pm-7am, get off and go to school), couldn’t afford it and just ended up with a lot more debt- ultimately i just ended up more stuck in the situation i was trying to get out of

and what’s more… education in this country is a joke… no one goes to learn anything and for the most part, the professor’s aren’t trying to teach you anything.

i’ve educated myself and learned a lot more after leaving school than i ever did while at university

Probably to do with the fact that in order to become a good lawyer you need to go to school for years(~7) whereas you can probably learn to be a cleaning lady in a couple of hours.

It’s also economics. A lawyer can charge $100, $200 even $500 an hour for his services and someone will pay that. If a cleaning lady charged those types of prices I doubt anyone would hire her or him.

If a cleaning lady wanted $100 per hour to clean my house I’d say no thank you and I’d clean the place myself. It’s a lot harder to do that with a lawyer unless you wanna spend hours of your time learning what he already knows.

Also…if they made the same money, what incentive would there be to become a lawyer? Why go to school for 7 years when you can make the same money without it?

honestly i could care less about the money. i’d just like to be able to live life doing something i love

Yup…same here.

That does depend om what she looked like :slight_smile:

I work in retail. Talk about soul crushing. All the king’s horses…

on that note…

off topic banter alert

Eh, well because being a lawyer was what you wanted to be. Ask any lawyer today if he want to stay being a lawyer or start cleaning toilets. My guess is that a lot of people do the jobs they want to because they want to. And why should the people stuck in terrible jobs get paid shit.

The education problem is easy, pay everyone the same whether they’re in school or working. So there, you are not missing out and you are on the way to a job you really want.

Not wanting to start a big discussion… This is offtopic both for this thread and probably also for this board. But then again The Big Gundown is about the little guy getting trampled in big politics so kind of not quite off the mark after all :slight_smile:

And whether she worked nude or not. :wink:

Thats no discussion at all. If she not cleaning nude why hire a cleaning lady? To clean? pff that i can do myself.
To please you all i am getting an education to get payed bad, at least as long as i will hopefully be doing my PhD, where pay is not that well.

[quote=“valenciano, post:112, topic:1455”]Thats no discussion at all. If she not cleaning nude why hire a cleaning lady? To clean? pff that i can do myself.
To please you all i am getting an education to get payed bad, at least as long as i will hopefully be doing my PhD, where pay is not that well.[/quote]

Congratulations! If you were living where I live the garbagemen and bus drivers will he getting paid just as much as you and they only require a high school diploma for that. Oh well, at least you doing what you love. The cleaning ladys still get paid shit though, because they are not unionized.

Thats what I’m doing right now but it hardly pays the bills.

[quote=“autephex, post:105, topic:1455”]and what’s more… education in this country is a joke… no one goes to learn anything and for the most part, the professor’s aren’t trying to teach you anything.

i’ve educated myself and learned a lot more after leaving school than i ever did while at university[/quote]

I Agree. I’ve been going to university for years and I don’t know if I actually have anything to show for it. Actually, where I live, community college seems more useful than University education because in college they give you a trade to go along with the degree. In university they just give you a degree and leave you to figure out yourself what you wanna do.

One of the current major debates my government is having is the possibility installing guaranteed annual income for everyone. A very left wing idea, but its biggest proponent happens to be a conservative. If this happens you have to move over here! LOL.

It’s not unreasonable that there should be some differences in pay for what kind of work you do, some jobs have more responsibilities etc

Even if there shouldn’t be the huge gaps in income between rich and poor that there are in some countries

But of course the majority of people want to make money, to think otherwise is naive

The capitalist economic system needs to be much more regulated though, as we’ve seen lately

That’s yet another debate though

I would go back to school, despite it not guaranteeing me a better job and giving me amazing amounts of debt, if it was more oriented towards advancing your mind. As it is now, its just an extension of the corporate work machine… it prepares you to take your place in a world where a career doesn’t have anything to do with how intelligent you are, but how well you play the game. I am not interested in grades by numbers.

I just get tired of people saying things about how a person can work hard and go to school and change things if they really want to. I am a big supporter of changing your life if its not working for you, however this aspect has way too many factors to be as simple as that. The cost of a university education is amazingly expensive. Someone like me doesn’t have parents to help pay for it, and is already starting out struggling to pay the bills outside of school… Add to that a universtiy education does not guarantee you a job. I have friends with full University degrees who are doing the same thing I am, they just have a whole lot more debt than I do.

Occassionally, I think about getting my bills paid off and moving out to the desert and leaving all this behind. I don’t feel any need to accumulate a lot of money and stuff in my life, I just want to enjoy being alive- and the kinds of jobs I am basically forced to work in order to survive do nothing but kill my spirit and drain me of the energy I need to do the things I love

This discussion has definitely veered way off course, but its interesting talking stuffs dammit

Yeah I here you Auto. Life is a tough road man!

I also don’t believe in the “work hard and your dreams come true” mantra its bullshit. Bill Gates wasn’st smarter or harder working than everybody else, he just happened to be in the right place at the right time. There are others out there who had good ideas and were smarter than Bill but are not as successful as he. Success is a crap shoot. People who are successful like to believe that they earned it by working hard and being smart, but alot of it has to do with luck, connections, socio-economic background, race etc…

I always dreamed of being a bank robber as a kid…guess I did not have the balls. Still view plenty of films with bank robberies in of course.

Ah, the romantic life of the outlaw…

[quote=“ENNIOO, post:117, topic:1455”]I always dreamed of being a bank robber as a kid…guess I did not have the balls.[/quote]haha, me too.

May I join the “off-topic” discussion too? :wink:

I’ve a few words. However, I don’t view this discussion as off-topic. ;D The Big Gundown’s theme is to follow your principles against the well-heeled status quo. So in a way, the way we handle our careers/work/goals is related to our principles and worldview.

A few of you mentioned about the futility of schooling - I completely agree. Much of today’s education is outrageously expensive for one, and not only does it not prepare you for life’s challenges, it can hardly help you get a job that pays well and gives you satisfaction. Perhaps, our post-industrial society upbringings are leading us to have too many expectations?

It wasn’t too long ago that our ancestors didn’t eat everyday, dealt with famines, plagues, wars, autocracies, and they didn’t have the luxury to ask for satisfaction. They just wanted to stay alive and overcome survival. Now it’s different. We have basic needs met (mostly) and the soul longs for more, I think.

I have degrees and I haven’t used them directly in my “career.” Our elders (at least mine) have really got it wrong - education doesn’t guarantee shit when it comes to jobs these days. If you throw a rock at someone on the street in the developed world, chances are he has 2 Masters degrees. It’s that common but uncommon in my elders’ generations where a high school grad is viewed as an asset and is guaranteed a job. I spent most of my 20s in and out of miserable jobs and dealing with general instability. I figured no one is going to give me opportunities, so I started my own thing. I try to keep it low-key and even most of my family doesn’t know. But when they say do what you love, I think it’s true. It doesn’t feel like torture. It gives life meaning. That is far more satisfying. Interestingly enough, it feels like the universe is finally agreeing with my choices, my thing is slowly developing.

Another factor, like Col mentioned, is luck. Whether luck and fortune are written into your fate, you won’t really know until it happens. I’m pretty lucky in the sense I never had to starve or have no one to bail me out, but I’ve also been unlucky in so many areas. I’ve known some well-to-do people and they are not any better in any way, just more lucky. And even the people we consider to be lucky or privileged may be privately miserable. It goes both ways. Perhaps, they envy the people with simpler lives. I’ve seen quite a bit of the poor, rich, and the middle’s lifestyles, and I’ve concluded ultimately everyone just wants to love and be loved ;D

But ultimately, I think guts and courage have a lot to do with success or feeling successful. Just like Corbett had the guts and courage to say no to the railroad baron, we also have to go beyond our comfort zones and risk high stakes sometimes. It takes courage to go for what you believe in.

Friendship, family, and feeling loved and valued are ultimately the only things that matter to us most, so don’t take career crap so seriously.

So… it’s not off-topic and this is about keeping The Big Gundown’s spirit alive!!! ;D