Fernando Sancho is always amusing!
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Oh, yes! Now thereās a good one. I havenāt seen that one in a while. I think Iāll give it another spin sometime soonā¦
Flynn
Klaus Kinski is Devil himself. 
And, of course, GMV is the sexiest villain of the world. :-[ :-*
Aldo Sanbrell in Navajo Joeā¦ One mean bastardo.
I thought this thread was worth resurrecting as there are a number of new members who werenāt active the last time we discussed it.
Rev, Scherp, SD, Romaine?
Who are the bad guys you love to hate?
[quote=āPhil H, post:25, topic:540ā]I thought this thread was worth resurrecting as there are a number of new members who werenāt active the last time we discussed it.
Rev, Scherp, SD, Romaine?
Who are the bad guys you love to hate?[/quote]
Great idea Brother Phil, plenty to choose from.
So hereās my two-penneth ā¦ Recently seen villains from El Puro - Gypsy Boots; or Robert Hundarās character in Hole in the Forehead have been memorable. But I suppose besides Kinski (with the law on his side) in Silence, then somewhere up there are the pantomime villains of Franco Resselās Stengel (Sabata), and Claudio Camasoās Mendoza (Vengeance). Both of these I saw years ago and their āpresenceā remained long after Iād pretty much forgotten the films. Camaso is great in $10,000 for a Massacre, as is Fernando Sancho. And an honorable mention goes to Telly Savalas as Major Ward in Massacre at Fort Holman. (The uncut version of this has one of the best revenge deaths I reckon).
[edit: And I havnāt even mentioned Cleefās Angel Eyes, Frank from OAATITW, Volonte in F2F, FAFDM; or Frank Wolff in God Forgives ā¦ all great performances and very remiss of me ;).]
Right, Iāve given it a bit more thought ā¦
In a sort of order -
- Gian Maria Volonte as El Indio (FAFDM)
- Franco Ressel as Stengel (Sabata)
- Lou Castel as Bill (Nino) Tate (ABFTG)
- Mark Damon as Ferguson (Requiescant)
- Frank Wolff as Joshua Tracy (LOTBM)
- Telly Savalas as Major Ward (MAFH)
- Klaus Kinski as Tigero (TGS)
- Lee Van Cleef as Angel Eyes (GBU)
- Claudio Camaso as Mendoza (Vengeance)
ā¦ and Iāll save one for when SD does a Top Ten! ;D
Guys I love to hate ?
Difficult for me.
As a child, listening to fairy tales, I already loved the black, bad, fairy (thatās how I became a loser)
Black is still a favourite colour and my favourite Shakespeare character is Iago (heās also my favourite character in world literature)
Frank is my favourite spaghettiwestern character, along with loser Silenzio
So I love bad guys, and I love losers
On the other hand I hate Tigrero (I hate Kinski by the way)
I hate that racist colonel from Django, not because heās a racist, but because he canāt even terminate a man with crushed hands, and because heās played by Eduardo Fayardo, an actor I canāt stand
I love Fernando Sancho
His best parts are the bad guys in both Ringo movies, but the meanist character is Gordo Watch from Arizona Colt
Iām not Hungarian and no Jill or BrĆ¼nhilde (by the way : where is she ?) so Iām not in love with the VolontĆ© brothers (Camasio and the more famous one) but I canāt hate them.
Somehow I never liked El IndioSo itās Ramon - yes, heās threatening, heās really bad
Angel Eyes is my fiend, he was and always will be my favourite character in GBU, so heās nearly the ideal bad guy
But hate him?
Bill san Antonio ? Same story (except for that he was in another movie)
Major Ward ? A much better choice. I donāt know what film MAFH is (come on rev, you might as well read your services in Latin!), but I hate everything Kojak is, was, did and stands for
Ferguson ? Anybody who looks like Engelbert canāt be all bad
So, itās very, very difficult
But there are three, perhaps lesser known baddies I really like/love:
Mario Adorf as El Diablo from Gli Specialisti - one arm, a clerk whoās orderd to write his biography: wonderful
Alfo Caltabiano in Pistoleros - a nice but treacherous guy, a good brother, bad friend, hits women like a real Tyson : my kind of heavy
Robert Woods as Black Jack - ever badder than the baddest man in the whole downtown
Franco Ressel as Stengel (Sabata) gets my vote.
Klaus Kinski in The Great Silenceā¦and he gets a nice Mauser aswell ;D.
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[quote=āscherpschutter, post:28, topic:540ā]Guys I love to hate ?
So I love bad guys, and I love losers
On the other hand I hate Tigrero (I hate Kinski by the way)
I love Fernando Sancho
His best parts are the bad guys in both Ringo movies, but the meanist character is Gordo Watch from Arizona Colt
Major Ward ? A much better choice. I donāt know what film MAFH is (come on rev, you might as well read your services in Latin!), but I hate everything Kojak is, was, did and stands for
Ferguson ? Anybody who looks like Engelbert canāt be all bad
So, itās very, very difficult[/quote]
Scherpy Baby I am seriously worried by what I have seen of your recent postings :o :-\
You ālove bad guys and losersā is that not very odd/sad, I say that because I LOVE 100%
GOOD GUYS/HEROES/JUSTICE and WINNERS, I appreciate a bad guy actor but love NO
Are you seriously saying you hate a great cult SW/Giallo/Horror superstar Klaus Kinski, who is quite well presented/groomed but āloveā that fat, oily , chubby, No Presence Fernando Sancho ? I find Sancho just tolerable and Kinski 100 times better overall.
You say also in a bizarre way that you āhateā KOJAK which was a great Cult POLICE TV series with a magnificent character of Lieutenant Theo Kojak with much humour/lollipop and Kojak stood for LAW and ORDER/Jail the criminals.
You āhateā all that he stands for ?? Is that what todays philosophers are taught ? :-
So you are on the side of the criminals, the baddies/ drug scum law breakers ? Very odd
Talking of ENGELBERT and we know he is the King Of Romance as I explained.
What I fail to understand is HOW exactly can you Scherp be a JIM REEVES fan as you said & then be annoying your neighbours with extremely loud :ā( :-X heavy rock/metal ?? ???
I love Jim Reeves and therefore could never ever tolerate a heavy metal/loud rock noise
I am curious if these very odd peculiarities are associated with this āphilosophyā 
;D ?
MY Favourite Movie SW Villain is LEE VAN CLEEF as he has talent, appearance
REV. Danite 
I can confirm that I will not be doing a Top 10 Best SW Villains.
I love my HEROES/JUSTICE/LAW &ORDER and HAPPY ENDINGS
[quote=āscherpschutter, post:28, topic:540ā]Guys I love to hate ?
Difficult for me.
As a child, listening to fairy tales, I already loved the black, bad, fairy (thatās how I became a loser)
Black is still a favourite colour and my favourite Shakespeare character is Iago (heās also my favourite character in world literature)[/quote]
Iago is magnificent. Shakespeare was very good at villains who took real pleasure in their own villainy. Richard III would be my favourite of these. Bad to the core but so much fun you wind up rooting for him in a strange way.
Major Ward ? A much better choice. I don't know what film MAFH is (come on rev, you might as well read your services in Latin!),
Iām guessing this is Massacre at Fort Holman?
Somehow I never liked El IndioSo it's Ramon - yes, he's threatening, he's really bad
Interesting how we can see things differently. I have always found Indio a much more interesting bad guy than Ramon.
Now come on guys ā¦ 
[quote=āReverend Danite, post:26, topic:540ā]Great idea Brother Phil, plenty to choose from.
So hereās my two-penneth ā¦ And an honorable mention goes to Telly Savalas as Major Ward in Massacre at Fort Holman.[/quote]
[quote=āSARTANA DJANGO, post:31, topic:540ā]REV. Danite I can confirm that I will not be doing a Top 10 Best SW Villains.
I love my HEROES/JUSTICE/LAW &ORDER and HAPPY ENDINGS 
[/quote]
In that case SD, ā¦
10. Jack Palance as John (Companeros).
Nice twist of the knife Ennio.
SO many villians. SO many demented killers to love.
Growing up in America, one of my introductions to pure evil was Lee Van Cleef as Angel Eyes. Maybe equaled but never bettered.
[quote=āSARTANA DJANGO, post:31, topic:540ā]Scherpy Baby I am seriously worried by what I have seen of your recent postings :o :-\
You ālove bad guys and losersā is that not very odd/sad, I say that because I LOVE 100%
GOOD GUYS/HEROES/JUSTICE and WINNERS, I appreciate a bad guy actor but love NO
Are you seriously saying you hate a great cult SW/Giallo/Horror superstar Klaus Kinski, who is quite well presented/groomed but āloveā that fat, oily , chubby, No Presence Fernando Sancho ? I find Sancho just tolerable and Kinski 100 times better overall.[/quote]
Dear SD,
In real life Iām a very decent, nice, friendly and well-educated person
Always on the side of the good guys
But when it comes down to the not-so-real, escapist world of literature and cinema ā¦
Iām on the side of the bad guys and the losers
(Probably even more on the side of the losers)
So in the film par excellence in which the bad guy wins ā¦
ā¦ I was on the side of the mute
I love all those Shakespeare villains that take pleasure in their own villainy, as Phil describes it
I love Lee, Fernando, Henry, all those spaghetti villains
I think this formidable villainy, this bleakness, this atmosphere of taking pleasure in cruelty, is the reason for me, and many others, to prefer the Italian western to the American western
But when I close my book, leave cinema or stop my DVD player ā¦
ā¦ and turn back to the real world ā¦
Iām that nice, fiendly, decent, well-educated person again
(I guess Lee and Fernando werenāt as bad in real life as they were in cinema either)
Klaus: I hate the person, not the characters he played, but Tigrero is not my favourite part of his. Somehow I find Kinski the weakest link in the movie, a more subdued performance (or actor) wouldāve been better. I know Iām defending a minority opinion. Kinsky was OK in E DIO DISSE A CAINO ā¦ (his best part as a villain !)
Kojak: he sucks (lollies)
Engelbert: itās a well know fact that he and Mark Damon are one and the same person. I like him more as an actor than as a singer.
George Martin in Return of Ringo
He played such a clean cut, baby kissing gringo in the first ringo, than he acts as a murderous bandit turned aristocrat in the second ringo. Great actor. I heard heās a successful real estate developer in miami these days.
John Steiner in Mannaja
Apparently a real nice man in real life, but he played the most despicable bastards on screen.
Peter Carsten in And God Said to Cain
Appears to be a loving father and husband. But when Kinski comes back, his true colors show. Brilliant.
Luigi Pistilli in Death Rides a Horse
And of course, Henry Fonda as Frank
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[quote=āscherpschutter, post:35, topic:540ā]In real life Iām a very decent, nice, friendly and well-educated personā¦
Iām that nice, fiendly, decent, well-educated person again[/quote]
FIENDLY!!! a Freudian slip dear Scherp? ;D
[quote=āscherpschutter, post:35, topic:540ā]Dear SD,
In real life Iām a very decent, nice, friendly and well-educated person
Always on the side of the good guys
But when it comes down to the not-so-real, escapist world of literature and cinema ā¦
Iām on the side of the bad guys and the losers
(Probably even more on the side of the losers)
So in the film par excellence in which the bad guy wins ā¦
ā¦ I was on the side of the mute
I love all those Shakespeare villains that take pleasure in their own villainy, as Phil describes it
I love Lee, Fernando, Henry, all those spaghetti villains
I think this formidable villainy, this bleakness, this atmosphere of taking pleasure in cruelty, is the reason for me, and many others, to prefer the Italian western to the American western
But when I close my book, leave cinema or stop my DVD player ā¦
ā¦ and turn back to the real world ā¦
Iām that nice, fiendly, decent, well-educated person again
(I guess Lee and Fernando werenāt as bad in real life as they were in cinema either)
Engelbert: itās a well know fact that he and Mark Damon are one and the same person. I like him more as an actor than as a singer.[/quote]
Yes Scherp , you explain it āwellā its one thing real life and another books/films eh
So in real life you switch back to being nice and law abiding, cultured, educatedā¦
I cannot dispute that villanous roles bring the best out of many actors/actresses and
we can all enjoy their performances , but I have a natural bias in favour of heroes
I am sure that if JIM ādistant drumsā REEVES heard some of the loud things you claim
to be playing, Jim would rise from his grave :o and come back to whack you a hard one
Similarly if JOHN WAYNE ever heard of that abysmal sucks 100% Brokeback Mountain
he would also rise from his grave and come back to tie Ang Lee :ā( to his horse&ride.
ENGELBERT is Not Mark Damon he is GERRY DORSEY from Leicester & King of ballad
I have to agree with Col. DM in that excellent villains in SWs :
John Steiner and Peter Carsten both very cold, nervously chilling , menacing 
[quote=āCol. Douglas Mortimer, post:36, topic:540ā]George Martin in Return of Ringo
He played such a clean cut, baby kissing gringo in the first ringo, than he acts as a murderous bandit turned aristocrat in the second ringo. Great actor. I heard heās a successful real estate developer in miami these days.[/quote]
Martin was great in Return of Ringo. And youāre right, the switch from classic good guy to evil bad guy between the two Ringo films shows real range on his part. Personally, I prefer him in the bad guy role every time. That black plastic looking hair alone does it for me. And with Fernando Sancho alongside him there is a dastardly duo that is beyond comparrison. Great Stuff.
[quote=āSARTANA DJANGO, post:38, topic:540ā]ENGELBERT is Not Mark Damon he is GERRY DORSEY from Leicester & King of ballad
I have to agree with Col. DM in that excellent villains in SWs :
John Steiner and Peter Carsten both very cold, nervously chilling , menacing :)[/quote]
The Colonel is right, especially about Peter Carsten.
For that reason E DIO DISSE A CAINO ā¦ is such a great spaghetti western: two villains for the price of one !
But you are wrong, SD
Of course Engelbert is from Leicester and often called the king of Balled
But heās a split personality
ENGELbert is obviously his angelic side, Engel meaning Angel
Bert, by the way, means light in ancient Aramic, so symbolically shines a light on this aspect of his personality
MARK, indicates that we must pay attention to whatās coming: DAMON !
Now I ask you ! Damon = demon
His acting career clearly was launched to create some headroom for his devilish alter ego
And what genre would have been more appropriate for this than our beloved spaghetti western ?
KING : yes, he was called king, but there was, has been, and will always be only one real king, THE KING
And it was Elvis who revealed this split personality to the world with his mega hit:
You walk like an ANGEL
talk like an ANGEL
But I got wise ā¦
Youāre the DEVIL IN DISGUISE !