[quote=“Stanton, post:12442, topic:1923”]I don’t think that a film which transcends a genre, which is a highly subjective impression anyway, is then somewhere outside the genre, it simply brings the genre to a new level.
2001 is still a SF film, but it made things with the genre nobody had expected before. OUTW had a similar impact on the SW as well as on the western as a whole. But there is more in these films than being innovative to justify the term. Others would call these films highly pretentious, and there is only a small gap between these diametral assessments.
Other Spags for which the term could be used are Il mercenario and Se sei vivo spara.[/quote]
Like I said, I always had the idea that Once Upon … transcends the (sub)genre, but still is a spaghetti western, therefore the term may not be correct in this aspect, trancending means - like ‘the_ugly’ states ‘breaking out’, not simply bring it to a higher level.
Or maybe we have added a new meaning to this term …
It’s of course always a arbitrary whether a movie or another piece of art belongs to a certain ‘genre’. I remember a long and intense discussion in Dutch literary circles about the difference between ‘normal’ fiction and crime fiction, and the question whether novelists like Edgar Allen Poe, Conan Doyle, Sébastien Japrisot, Chandler, Hammett, Wilkie Collins and Dostoievski (to mention only a few) could be labeled as crime authors.
The obvious case (most people agreed on that) of an author transcending the genre (and no longer being part of it) was Dostoievski, while again most people concluded that most others had brought the genre to a higher level, but were still part of it. The Big Sleep is a literary novel, but it’s still crime fiction, Crime & Punishment, in spite of the title, is a philosophical novel, not a crime novel.