I do agree that those scenes are better in the uncut version but only in a vacuum. Looking at the pace of the film as a whole, i think the cuts were logical and sensical to give it a faster pace.
One of the things that really hurts this movie is Milianâs dubbed voice.
The uncut version is definitely an improvement to shorter one.
I would prefer a shorter version if the long ranch scene would have been cut out completely, but the cut German theatrical version contains most of that one.
The first version I saw was the pretty short German one (about 84 min i think) on VHS, and I was disappointed and thought it was only a mediocre film. Later I liked it more, it became a 6/10 film, but it wasnât until I got the Koch Sollima box with the uncut version that I really began to enjoy it.
Just ordered the powerhouse films version of the film to see the uncut version in (mostly) english⌠maybe my opinion will change once i see that version, since I donât like watching spaghetti westerns in italian, the language just doesnât fit the genre, and the grindhouse extended italian cut, which is the one I currently have access to, is in italian only.
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the spaghetti in spaghetti western is a hint 
I find myself time and again switching to watching these in Italian, because in my head they all take place in some alternate universe in which the Italians conquered northamerica :)) and all too often the English dubs sound like the films take place in 1960s kentucky
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I find myself time and again switching to watching these in Italian
The italian dub does have its benefits, its the language in which the dialogue was originally written in and has things that are lost in dubbing and even subtitles⌠but as someone who speaks and understands italian, it just doesnât fit the aesthetic, setting and themes of these films, and as sergio leone rightfully thought 40% of the movie is sound, and the sound of the italian language doesnât really fit a western setting as much as english⌠plus lee van cleefâs iconic voice, he just doesnât sound right with an italian dub.
Ofcourse we have to suspend our disbelief regardless when watching these movies, its not about realism more than it about just being coherent with the aesthetic and setting.
in my head they all take place in some alternate universe in which the Italians conquered northamerica :)) and all too often the English dubs sound like the films take place in 1960s kentucky
hahaha, i totally get what you mean. The italian 1960s sensibilities and humor with an american western aesthetic and setting, nothing quite like these films
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also did this movie come out in 1966 or 1967? as there is conflicting info on the db
The release date is March 67, but it was shot in 66.
In the books I have the film is featured as a 1966 film. On IMDB then under 1967, cause they use always the release date, which us misleading if a film was hold back for years.
someone needs to fix the essential top 20 then if it was released in 1967 since its noted as 1966 there
seems like somebody just has thanks for pointing it out
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welcome
thereâs 1966 in the tarantino and hughes top 20 lists too
1966 is correct imo
how?
Maybe Italians didnât conquer North America, but there was a sizeable immigration of Italians to the US, just like there was from many other European countries.
By 1870, there were about 25,000 Italian immigrants in America, many of them Northern Italian refugees from the wars that accompanied the Risorgimentoâthe struggle for Italian unification and independence from foreign rule. Between around 1880 and 1924, more than four million Italians immigrated to the United States, half of them between 1900 and 1910 aloneâthe majority fleeing grinding rural poverty in Southern Italy and Sicily. Today, Americans of Italian ancestry are the nationâs fifth-largest ethnic group.
it was released 1967
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Of course, that was never a secret, but the years used for films do not rely only on the release date, but also on the production date. And that was 1966 for TBG.
In all books I have TBG is always given as a 1966 film. And I think we should stay to that. And by that we have the 3 Sollima Spags separated by a year, and that fits.
Not sure what you mean here. The year relevant in general is the release year, in this case 1967. The production year is an infor for the specific section on the page but weâre not ordering, categorizing etc by production year
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No, otherwise this film would have been marked as a 1967 film in all books, but it is mostly or always a 1966 film, the year the film was shot.
Check the Bruckner book or the Kessler book, not to mention countless other film books.
Was the release of TBG delayed for some reason?
Frayling says the real SW genre started with FOD in 1964, but took two years to get going.
So 1966 was the year when many important SWs premiered.