[quote=“Stanton, post:20, topic:1244”]Dust and dirt was always part of the US westerns. The westerns didn’t got more realistic in the 60s, only more dirty.
SWs are anti realistic. So are most if not all US westerns.[/quote]
I completely agree.
If the US westerns allegedly presented an unrealistic mythology of the West, the Spaghetti Westerns didn’t provide a “correction,” but rather established a new and even more unrealistic myth of the West.
In the SWs (considered as a whole) we see an absurd overabundance of Mexican bandit gangs, almost no cattle or Indians, a West completely centered on the US-Mexico border, a Roman Catholic West, a presentation of “facts” of history and geography which are absolutely laughable, and a level of violence that far out-stripped the “real” West. In many SWs the body count in just one film far, far exceeds the death toll of Dodge City, Deadwood, Tascosa, the Northfield, Minnesota raid, the Johnson County War, the Lincoln County War, either battle of Adobe Walls, and even the Mountain Meadow Massacre! There might be a few where it approaches the Little Big Horn! If the SW West were the “true” story, the place would have been uninhabitable-- a stagecoach ride means near-certain death, small towns emptied of residents by gangs of killers, etc. Nobody would have left the East for such a place. Not to mention small things like impossible shooting skill with inaccurate weapons such as the 1851 Colt Navy and other guns, or the ridiculous stopping-power of Sartana’s small calibre multi-shot derringer.
I like the SWs for the IMAGINATIVE new “myth of the West.”
There’s no doubt for me that the SWs caused a shake-up in Hollywood and many US imitators were released. But few, if any at all, were able to duplicate the feel of a SW. Take “The Hunting Party,” for example. It increased the level of graphic violence, but fails to deliver the quirkiness, black humor or simple “weirdness” of a good SW. Lots of blood and dirt and the lack of clear-cut “good guys and bad guys” are NOT, in my view, the only contributions of the genre. But I do enjoy the over-the-top excesses of Spaghetti Westerns. And I like the style of many SWs. I’ll mention a few-- “Yankee” for its comic book imagery, “Johnny Hamlet” for its colors and settings, its camera work, Stefania Carredu’s face in the mirror, the stairs scene, etc. “Death Sentence” for its psychological violence and interesting, wild characters such as Brother Baldwin. And I must confess to liking the humor in “Companeros,” “Long Live Your Death,” “Train for Durango.”
Some of the SW topics were already present in US westerns in the 1950s. Look at “Vera Cruz”-- (1954) --an early Zapata Western?-- and “Run of the Arrow” (1957) – brutal, dirty, unsentimental and displaying a conflicted hero. Who are the “white hats” there? (If it’s Brian Keith, he was killed.)
I just like them all. If I were to make a Top 20 list of my favorite westerns, US and Italian westerns would come out rather evenly. And every film would be from the 1950s-1970s…