Excuse my ignorance but what’s the difference between Noir and Neo-Noir?
The latter is newer, hence neo.
[quote=“Bad Lieutenant, post:382, topic:1786”]The latter is newer, hence neo.[/quote]Cheers Bad Lt.
Noir’s later than 1959 are called Neo(new)-Noir’s for some reason.
But look at the night time scenes. Lots of shadows and the thriller aspects seem pretty clear to me.
Basically there are three types of Noir:
Proto-Noir from 1920s to the 1930s. This was the time were films like M, Quai des brumes and Pépé le Moko were made. These had a large influance on the classic Noirs.
Classic Film Noir was from 1940 to 1959, were most of the greats were made in America. Most of them appeared as B-movies, but in reality they were normally better than the A-picture.
Neo-Noir is from 1960 to now. These are movies that try to imitate the golden era. Good examples are Chinatown, Body Heat and The Good German.
[quote=“John Welles, post:386, topic:1786”]Basically there are three types of Noir:
Proto-Noir from 1920s to the 1930s. This was the time were films like M, Quai des brumes and Pépé le Moko were made. These had a large influance on the classic Noirs.
Classic Film Noir was from 1940 to 1959, were most of the greats were made in America. Most of them appeared as B-movies, but in reality they were normally better than the A-picture.
Neo-Noir is from 1960 to now. These are movies that try to imitate the golden era. Good examples are Chinatown, Body Heat and The Good German.[/quote]Thanks for the explanation
Wait till we get on to film gris and film soleil…
Touch of Evil (Welles/58)
When Paul Thomas Anderson’s “There Will be Blood” (2008) came out, one critic raved that it was " ‘Citizen Kane’ surpassed". It wasn’t, but this is.
Orson Welles first movie made in America for ten years, “Touch of Evil” (1958), was seen by Welles as his come-back movie after his string of box office disappointments forced him to leave Amercia and head for Europe.
The filming of it went all according to plan, with producer Albert Zugsmith pleasantly surprised that people like Marlene Dietrich, Zsa Zsa Gabor and Mercedes McCambridge appeared at reduced salary’s, as they all wanted a chance to appear in a Orson Welles film. But Welles fell out with his producers in the editing stage, and inevitably, the movie was took away from him. But, apart from re-shoot a few scenes that even Welles himself acknowledged needed improving, the producers didn’t butcher it as much as, say, Welles earlier “The Magnificent Ambersons” (1942).
What we now have is a movie that surpasses “Citizen Kane” (1941). A movie that has pitch-perfect performances from Orson Welles, Charlton Heston and Janet Leigh. We have photography, direction and script that are as good, and usually better than any competitors. This could well be the greatest film of all time.
;D
I’m glad you finally got over Citizen Kane. 
And yes, Touch of Evil is a great film, the final line said by Welles is priceless.
Ha ha! I was actually thinking the very same thing when I read our compadre John Welles’ post! 
CITIZEN KANE is a very important film, historically. But, personally…I find it boring.
TOUCH OF EVIL is excellent.
John, if you haven’t seen The Lady from Shanghai yet, try it next. Also fascinating.
[quote=“Chris_Casey, post:392, topic:1786”]CITIZEN KANE is a very important film, historically. But, personally…I find it boring.
TOUCH OF EVIL is excellent.[/quote]
Mega-dittoes.
Another gooder.
[quote=“John Welles, post:386, topic:1786”]Basically there are three types of Noir:
Proto-Noir from 1920s to the 1930s. This was the time were films like M, Quai des brumes and Pépé le Moko were made. These had a large influance on the classic Noirs.
Classic Film Noir was from 1940 to 1959, were most of the greats were made in America. Most of them appeared as B-movies, but in reality they were normally better than the A-picture.
Neo-Noir is from 1960 to now. These are movies that try to imitate the golden era. Good examples are Chinatown, Body Heat and The Good German.[/quote]On a technical level, I agree with this. Although, there are a good amount of 60’s films I’d definetly consider full fledged Noir. Part of the reason I don’t really believe in Neo Noir although I understand the meaning and purpose of it. Cape Fear, le Doulos, Underworld USA (along with Fuller’s other BW crime films), and a few others I’d definetly consider full film Noir. Even Chinatown. For me, a Neo Noir would have to be a film with an obvious noir storyline but not done it Noir style. So films like Chinatown, The good German, Farewell, My Lovely and others are Film Noir to me. Films like Blood Simple, Body Heat, and Against All Odds are to me, true Neo Noir.
Citizen Kane is the antithesis of boring.
Touch of Evil is great but it is no Citizen Kane.
PT Anderson’s There Will Be Ham isn’t worthy to be mentioned in the same sentence as any of Welles’ films.
Well, we will just have to disagree there, amigo.
But, don’t worry too much about it! I am, after all, the guy that doesn’t care all that much for THE GOOD, THE BAD & THE UGLY!
[quote=“Chris_Casey, post:398, topic:1786”]Well, we will just have to disagree there, amigo.
But, don’t worry too much about it! I am, after all, the guy that doesn’t care all that much for THE GOOD, THE BAD & THE UGLY! ;)[/quote]
The different opinions and points of view are what make it fun. If we all agreed with each other on everything I doubt we’d see much discussion.
Cheers.
[quote=“Mortimer, post:399, topic:1786”]The different opinions and points of view are what make it fun. If we all agreed with each other on everything I doubt we’d see much discussion.
Cheers.[/quote]
Absolutely, i believe I…I…Idiot is another one who loves KANE. As for me, it’s definitely a wonderfully made film, i just don’t enjoy repeat viewings of it.