Minnesota Clay (Sergio Corbucci, 1964)


(chameleon) #141

Massacre at Grande Canyon and The White, the Yellow, and the Black are the only two Corbucci that I’ve not seen yet, and I don’t think I’ll ever will.


(AngelFace) #142

I think it’s worth seeing, I kind of like it! I think anything with Gemma and Milian is worth a shot!

I’m not expecting much from Massacre At Grand Canyon but I do get a certain thrill out of these confused early spaghettis, they are somehow more interesting than your average bad spaghetti from, say, '67. In A Colt’s Shadow is another I must see.


(ENNIOO) #143

Massacre At Grand Canyon and Minnesota Clay are on around the same level for me.


(JonathanCorbett) #144

There’s a mistranslation, he says ‘‘I hadn’t the heart to tell her’’.

From Review A (by scherpschutter): ‘’… he conceals the fact that he is the father of the young girl who now lives in the custody of his best friend, because he is afraid that she might be ashamed of him.’’ :wink:


(AngelFace) #145

Ah ok, thanks. In the English dub does she realise he is her father as he is dying in her arms? Did he tell her? I thought she knows in the English dub but maybe my brain had switched off, just goes to what dubbing does to your brain…


(JonathanCorbett) #146

This is interesting, could you post a screenshot from the VHS credits?


Even though public screening was authorized in October '64 (film length 2510 meters), recently I found the premiere was reviewed in the newspapers on 21 January 1965.


(JonathanCorbett) #147

Let us clarify this point: sure, in the English dub she knows, but your post was referring to the Italian ending, in which there is no revelation during the scene in the main street.

‎And it is clear that he won’t return.


(Novecento) #149

Giusti concurs with the 1965 release date


(The Man With a Name) #150

Does the VCI DVD have the best transfer? I have the unauthorised release by Shoarma Digital and the Mill Creek transfer from the bargain sets. Shoarma’s transfer is better than the latter.


(Jonny Powers) #151

I think I have some screenshots on my laptop from the rereleased VCI dvd (No new transfer, just new art). I can see about throwing them up tonight.


(JonathanCorbett) #152

From planktonrules review on IMDb:

I am talking about making the film with DIFFERENT endings depending on the country. This is the second Italian western that features a happy ending in the Italian version and a less happy American version (…)

Is there indeed another one or maybe he was incorrectly referring to The Great Silence or The Specialists?


#153

This is Corbucci’s hidden gem and is rarely mentioed alongside Django and the Great Silence. Minnestoa Clay, a brave but nearly blind gunfighter who returns to his home town to take get his life back together. Meanwhile the town is torn apart by two gangs, one is headed by Fox who is cjealos of Clay, and is responsbile for Clay’s imprisonment. Ortiz a mexican wants dislikes Fox.

Favorite scene is Clay dying in nancy’s arms, but not after getting his revenge on Fox. Clay is never fully able to tell Nancy who he really is.

Second favorite scene is where a man in the town says “Minnesota clay. the greatest gunfighter that ever lived.” Before Clay was sentenced to prison, law and order wasn’t such a problem.

Third favorite scene “Thanks Johnthan for all you’ve done fo my daughter.” Johnthan’s role is small but effective. He is fed up with Fox.

Fourth favorite scene is a prime example of Corbucci doing great work behind the camera. The gunfight at the ranch, leading into the ranch being set on fire. This is how it’s done.

Fifth favorite scene The shooting of the snake, taking the doctor hostage, and escaping from the labor camp. This scene was remarkable, and had to influence dozens of others. Within the blink of an eye, we see Clay is no hero.


#154

A dialogue, a life, Mother of Earth:
“Running away isn’t the answer.”
“Maybe I like to run. I been runnin’ since I was a kid.”
“And why? What did you gain by runnin’?”
“First it was fun. Then it was compulsion. And now …”
“And now it’s desperation.”


#155

Finally watched this, and I thought it was pretty decent. I’ll be watching Johnny Oro next, although I hear from most folk that it ain’t as good.


#156

Johnny Oro is a fun watch, especially of you like Mark Damon ( I for one enjoy Damon’s performance, who is a real authentic looking cowboy.


#157

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You’re right, It definitely exceeded my expectations. I can still see why people would call it shit, but for me it’s enjoyable shit as opposed to pure shit.


(Novecento) #158

Copying these from the ¿Quién sabe? thread:

Does anyone have any knowledge about this?


(scherpschutter) #159

I don’t remember any interview or article in which Corbucci or anybody else identifies one of the two endings as the original one. I have the idea that the happy ending was the original one, or at least the one Corbucci had in mind initially. He might have had second thoughts about it and removed it, in order to get an unhappy ending. I won’t say the unhappy doesn’t work, but it feels a bit sudden, not quite right.


(Stanton) #160

When I look at how that scene is directed, I’m pretty sure that it was intended to show his death.


(scherpschutter) #161

Maybe Corbucci wanted it that way from the start, could be. It’s more corbucci-ish than the happy ending, but it just doens’t look like the final scene of the movie to me (even of the camera moves back). The scene with the glasses does, but that doesn’t mean it’s the ending Corbucci preferred.