When I got it right, this is the version full of the available material.
“…according to British film maker/critic Alex Cox an Italian Judge confiscated and subsequently destroyed this controversial material.”
So there won’t be any uncut release.
Damned interfering judiciary!
Or maybe this could be just a rumour?
As far as I know the scalping-scene and the operating-scene were never included in any previous theatrical- or video-release in any country.
So in that case why were not these scenes also destroyed?
[quote=“Silvanito, post:39, topic:299”]Or maybe this could be just a rumour?
As far as I know the scalping-scene and the operating-scene were never included in any previous theatrical- or video-release in any country.
So in that case why were not these scenes also destroyed?[/quote]
I don’t know, Silvanito, but I’m going to search for more conclusive evidence in the next few days.
See you.
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Hope your lovely one-eyed daughter isn’t aiming at me!)
Hope your lovely one-eyed daughter isn't aiming at me!
It’s Swedish Christina Lindberg. She did a lot of nude modelling in the 70s and was also in some films, mostly soft erotic.
And then she also did this film Thriller, a violent revenge-story that is actually a bit shocking even today!
She is alive and well and working as a journalist these days, and she still looks fine being close to 60 years old!
Wow !
Those '70s in Sweden … erotic movies, soft or not, Christina, Abba, Ralf Edström playing for my soccer team PSV …
[quote=“scherpschutter, post:35, topic:299”]bandits roasted over fires, women and children shot, animal disembowelled etc. (see: Frayling, SWs, Cowboys and Europeans etc. p. 82); according to British film maker/critic Alex Cox an Italian Judge confiscated and subsequently destroyed this controversial material.[/quote]Questi doesn’t mention cuts like these in interview on BU’s dvd. I wonder if Frayling is just referring to the two most famous gore scenes which were often cut.
[quote=“scherpschutter, post:42, topic:299”]Wow !
Those '70s in Sweden … erotic movies, soft or not, Christina, Abba, Ralf Edström playing for my soccer team PSV …[/quote]
Sounds like you need this film (imdb review below)…
Author: Claudio Carvalho from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
In 1975, in Stockholm, the housewife Elisabeth (Lisa Lindgren) gets tired of her abusive and drunken husband Rolf (Michael Nyqvist), and she moves with her teenager daughter Eva (Emma Samuelsson) and her young son Stefan (Sam Kessel) to the hippie community where her brother Goran (Gustav Hammarsten) lives. Goran is a good man, who has an open relationship with his mate Lena (Anja Lundqvist), but does not feel comfortable with the situation. They are welcomed by the group composed of a new-lesbian Anna (Jessica Liedberg), her “almost gay” husband and their children; a gay; and an idealist communist. Eva becomes friend of her neighbor Fredrik, and with the new-arrivals in the commune, lives of the members change. Meanwhile, Rolf misses Elizabeth and his family, stops drinking and tries to approach to Elizabeth again.
“Tillsammans” is a delightful dramatic comedy of this great Swedish director Lukas Moodysson. The story is very human and engaging, with many characters very well-developed that find themselves in a world of freedom and without repression, changing their behaviors and improving as human beings. Very hilarious, at least for South-Americans, the two boys playing of torture as if one of them was the Chilean General Augusto Pinochet. The integration promoted by the soccer game is fantastic. The soundtrack with hits of the 70’s is wonderful and another attraction.
Swedish and set in the 70s
If that wont do I’ve got a copy of Swedish Shower Sluts 
[quote=“Silvanito, post:39, topic:299”]Or maybe this could be just a rumour?
As far as I know the scalping-scene and the operating-scene were never included in any previous theatrical- or video-release in any country.
So in that case why were not these scenes also destroyed?[/quote]
If my memories are not wrong, I’ve seen these scenes in a german 80s video release and also on TV, but the german x-rated DVD was nevertheless the 1st uncut release here.
"Tillsammans" is a delightful dramatic comedy of this great Swedish director Lukas Moodysson...Swedish and set in the 70s
If that wont do I’ve got a copy of Swedish Shower Sluts
Haha, no this film Tillsammans is not so interesting and not what you might think. It’s about some leftist hippie-style people in 70s Sweden, but the film is from 2000 and not very sensational 
Director Lukas Moodysons earlier film Fucking Åmål or its international title Show Me Love from 1998 is much better, but not a sex-film either
It’s a cute and fun movie about some young girls in a small town who fall in love with each other, you should watch it!
Heavens above - teenage Swedish lesbians! 
Whatever will the Good Lord dream up next?! Checked this on imdb and it gets fantastic reviews … I’ll look out for it. ‘Thriller’ (the uncut version) sounds pretty good as well. Still - seing as I’m deviating somewhat (oo-er) …
Django Kill is a film I need to see again. I can understand it being up there in a lot of people’s top 10 or so. I never saw it ‘uncut’ as a 95 min. version and have only seen the 112 min. Argent Films dvd. Is this the same print as the Blue Underground one?
Nope. The Argent Films Disc is cut. The Blue Underground disc counts 116 mins.
Thanks… DAMN DAMN DAMN!!!
With uncut I just meant a version with all the scenes that are known to have been released somewhere, some of which were only available in shoddy bootleg tapes before BU’s dvd release, which I consider a landmark of sorts (having bought the Japanese Macaroni Westerns LD and other more incomplete releases over the years).
I’d love to know more about those missing scenes mentioned by Frayling / Cox / Aurum Encyclopedia, but they don’t give sources and with all respect I’m taking this information with a grain of “urban movie legends” salt, fully prepared to put my scepticism away if back-up emerges.
For example it makes me wonder who were those children whose shooting deaths were cut, unless we count Ray Lovelock I remember there are two children in Unhappy Place and they survive the adventure alive and well.
The more I think of it, I start believing that it might well be all rumours and hearsay.
I checked my French disc from Seven-7-Sept, running time is 1:51:50, so there seems to be some scenes missing, I would say in the Ray Lovelock part, that seems a little chopped up.
Frayling and Aurum Encyclopedia mention both similar scenes, women and children shot, animals disembowelled, men roasted on a spit etc. And yes, it does sound a little like nazi stories about Jews drinking children’s blood etc.
On the French disc is also an interview with a certain Curd Ridel, of whom I know little, but who clearly knows his stuff well; he doesn’t mention similar scenes, only scenes that are in the 7 version.
Still on the official Italian SWs site it is said (in the last few lines) that the film was confiscated several times and that it’s nearly impossible to lay your hands on the original uncut print. They also say that some scenes involving Lovelock are only available on some VHS versions; since those versions usually are pan & scan (4:3), I suppose it’s not easy to re-install them in a widescreen 2,35 : 1 version. How did they solve the problems at BU ?
Questi has commented (in BU’s doc I think) that the original script was more explicit (with Lovelock getting gang-banged to death!), with scenes that were not destroyed but apparently never shot. Some of them could have transformed into these mayhem myths of the 80s western books. Where does the movie-burning magistrate come from is another mystery, maybe someone should investigate Italian courtroom archives and check out if there’s any record of such verdict…
Getting more off-topic, several of the Aurum Encyclopedia’s SW reviews seem to be “second-hand” criticism recycled from Frayling’s SPAGHETTI WESTERNS writings (never very thorough on the non-Leone stuff) and sometimes repeating their inaccuracies (a cycle that continues with Tom Weisser). Remember how Aurum complains about the “ludicrous presentation” of Jack Palance feeding his hawk with Third World people in COMPANEROS? I don’t remember any such meaty scenes, and the supposedly overdone symbolism seems more like the reviewer’s own idea…
Yes it’s a lovely film!
The title is about the girls cursing (and they use this english word) their small town where nothing ever happens, a boring place for young people. Åmål is the name of the town.
The title was changed for the international release though since it could be considered offensive.
They indeed tried to ban the film and the church demanded the negatives to be burned but the later never hapened. Instead, they took the film (uncut version, same as BU DVD) out of circulation after just few weeks and re-releaed it in a cut form. This cut re-release is the official short version which was most common on VHS, missing the scalping scene, digging gold bullets out of living man’s body etc. However, these other scenes discussed (cruelty towards animals, killing of little children etc.) never existed, they are just rumours and misunderstandings repeated over and over again by critics who never had a chance to see the film in it’s uncut form and thus resorted to other (error-filled) sources. Django Kill! was released theatricaly for the third time as Oro hondo (se sei vivo, spara!) which, I think, was the same cut-down version as the previous release.
If I remember right the writers of Aurum admit in the foreword that they are not specialists of SWs and thus use Frayling’s books as a source. Yes, their use of Frayling’s books is very visible throughout Aurum. Some of their claims are just crazy like the one that Fernando Sancho’s character in Django Spara Per Primo is based on Cleef’s Sabata character…???
Edit:
One more thing about Aurum Encyclopedia of Westerns: It’s a good book for information about US western but reviews of SWs are mostly very poor. 90% on SWs are called “routine” and they always complain about violence and “excesses.” It seems to me that the writers had some moral code for westerns which doesn’t accept “extreme” violence or blurring of lines between “good” and “evil” in SWs. Even more strange is the use of double standards for the benefit of US westerns, like accepting “extreme” violence in westerns directed by Eastwood and not complaining about clichéd dialogue in low-budget US productions. I do not know to which degree these shortcoming originate from Frayling’s books (which hardly ever complain about excesses and violence) but Aurum’s unfair way of comparing Italian and US productions is very annoying.
Thanks for the information Silver Wolf.
I believe some of the rumors concerning the unseen DJANGO KILL had their start in an old feature article by William Fox, “Wild Westerns Italian Style” (Saturday Evening Post. Nov.1966:50-55.) that is quoted at length by Frayling. Kind of a genre overview based on a set visit to THE GREATEST ROBBERY IN THE WEST by Maurizio Lucidi, the article also includes Hunt Powers describing a scene that’s obviously the “gold bullet surgery” of DJANGO KILL and mentioning (correctly I guess) how it was cut from export prints.
In the same passage there’s the sentence “In Spain horses are actually blown up, their entrails thrown at the camera for close-ups.” I dunno whether this refers to DJANGO KILL and Roberto Camardiel’s exploding horse (probably just a special effect and not that gory, though the super-fast editing can make you believe otherwise) but I guess it has been interpreted this way. The film’s ability to suggest something dreadful combined with industry gossip seem to have created the myth of an all-out brutality western that never really existed…
Just to mention Bruckner: He writes, that the original length of the movie is 116 minutes - also the length of the BU release.