Compañeros / Vamos a matar, compañeros (Sergio Corbucci, 1970)

All the background action - you can’t just keep your eyes on what is going on in the foreground as we are usually (and back then entirely) accustomed to.

Once Upon a Time in the West was not a success when first released (the chopped-up version). It wasn’t a flop either, but it only became a smash hit when it was re-released. I worked in a cinema during the weekends in those days and they had a full house with it, day in day out, for weeks (and not only during the weekends).

About The Wild Bunch: of course it’s a visually very strong film. It has a couple of other strong points, but I guess it owes its fame mainly to its beautiful blood-letting, The action sequences were imitated by other film makers (and Peckinpah himself) over and over again. But still … it must have been one of the most discussed movies of the year, one that caused a lot of controversy (I don’t really remember, I was too young when it came out and only saw it later, in the course of the Seventies, on a late-night showing) and caused a lot of controversy. In that light it still surprises me that it wasn’t more successful, not when first released, not when re-released

Why are you so concerned about that? You should watch this Masterpiece again, trust me you’ll feel better.

I would say TWB is a remarkable technical achievement first, and a great film second. The beautiful action sequences aside, there are a few passages of the film that drag considerably (for me), and I think that sluggish pacing has only gotten worse with time. I consider myself a big Peckinpah fan, but I almost always go with Alfredo Garcia, Cross of Iron or Billy the Kid over TWB.

Also, despite my love of Peckinpah, I really dislike Jerry Fielding as a composer. I like his Alfredo Garcia score, but thats about it, and Dylan’s PG & BTK score really brought Peckinpah’s images to life in a way Fielding did not.

Me too!

I’m not concerned about it, it just surprises me, that’s all

I’d take Cross of Iron or PG&BTK over The Wild Bunch too, although I’d probably put Garcia after it. All 4 of them are brilliant pieces of film making of course.

What did you think of the Quincy Jones score on “The Getaway”. Apparently Steve McQueen didn’t like Fielding’s compositions for the film so hired Quincy Jones to re-do it.

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I liked that score too, suits the film better than Fielding would have for sure

Also, despite my love of Peckinpah, I really dislike Jerry Fielding as a composer. I like his Alfredo Garcia score, but thats about it, and Dylan’s PG & BTK score really brought Peckinpah’s images to life in a way Fielding did not.

I like Jerry Fielding’s score for The Wild Bunch, but I also like Quincy Jones’s score for The Getaway. I don’t think the music Fielding composed (and that was rejected) fits The Getaway very well. Don’t know exactly why. It’s probably a bit close to his score for The Wild Bunch

Have to be in the mood for alot of Fielding scores, they can often be intense. Besides from The Wild Bunch, I enjoy his scores to The Outfit and the remake of The Big Sleep.

I think “Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid” is an excellent film, but I was unconvinced by Dylan’s music there, the knife-wielding character he played, and a too-old Kristofferson playing a 22-year-old. The late-80s TV movie “Gore Vidal’s Billy the Kid” featured a young Val Kilmer as Billy. He seemed to me to portray Billy as I pictured him after reading Frederick Nolan’s books and others. That movie also had a wider scope, starting just before John Tunstall’s murder triggered the Lincoln County War-- the event which made Billy who he was. Peckinpah, of course, had a different focus. And his film [edit: at least included] Billy’s very best friends Tom O’Folliard and … Charlie Bowdre [seen in the siege at the stone house at Stinking Spring, the foundation of which is still visible] and is a classic. Just my two cents.

Sorry to partypoop gentlemen but, whilst I’m all in favour of the organic flow of conversation, we’re straying quite far from the thread topic which, lest we forget, was Companeros. There are threads elsewhere on-site dedicated to Sam Peckinpah, to The Wild Bunch and to Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid and we’d be hugely appreciative if you could post on those threads should you wish to continue this conversation.

Thanks, amigos. :slight_smile:

I love that scene. It’s a good call-back to Django and I always laugh at The Penguin’s example of violence being necessary.

Screenshot comparison of DVD (top) vs Blue Underground blu-ray (middle) vs Unknown supposed blu ray with French & Italian dubs, English subs.

I grabbed this last one off the net due to lack of availability in blu ray options. The BU disc is OOP and prices are retarded. It looks like its maybe just an upscale of the French Seven7 DVD? Not sure… I don’t see any blu ray releases with these audio options… its not very good looking anyway.

Anyone have the more recent German blu rays?

Several German DVDs were released, but so far none from Koch.

Ah, my mistake. I must have been confusing it with Bullet For The General which I bought from Koch many years ago in the Rainbow set… I had ripped the Companeros DVD off to my computer because I was planning on buying the blu ray, which I didn’t do before it went OOP and for some reason I had assumed it was a Koch release

Actually I would like Companeros to be released by Koch …

A new Companeros blu from Koch would be pretty great

I just wish they would start making their releases region-free… my player bit the dust and not sure I can splurge on a new region-free player any time soon

I think they are not allowed too.
Especially not with English audio options.

I wonder why though? Is it something with German laws? Seems every other company releasing these genre blu rays are region free releases now days