Alternative Top 20

Genuine question here, because I love the idea of a bit of an alternative list, but I remain desperately uncertain as to the criteria:

If your “actual” Top 20 is your actual Top 20, is your alternative Top 20 - the alternative to your “actual” Top 20, I guess - simply the movies that would be ranked 21-40 in your “actual” Top 40? There seems to be more to it than that, but I’m unclear as to what… :-\

Why not check page 1 of this thread? :wink:

All films are allowed except those which are in our official top 20:

Well, if you don’t like any of the “official” top 20 your top 20 list is then identical with your alternative top 20 list.

@ Phil

To avoid confusion you should maybe change the not eligible films in your first post on page 1 with the actual list, which won’t change anymore, at least not in the near future.
If You Meet Sartana is out and therefore in here, and the Returned Ringo is out here cause it is in there and will not return here. It’s all so easy …

@ Stanton

Good point. I’ll edit it now.

But for everyone else thinking of voting, it is as Stanton states. You can choose any film in your alternative top 20 that does not currently sit in the SWDB Official Top 20.

I’ll check nothing, Goddammit! I’ll just bluster straight in with demands, questions, et cetera. :slight_smile:

Okay, then:

  1. El desperado (The Dirty Outlaws) (Franco Rossetti, 1967)
  2. Mannaja (A Man Called Blade) (Sergio Martino, 1977)
  3. 10.000 dollari per un massacro (10,000 Dollars For a Massacre) (Romolo Guerrieri, 1967)
  4. Il pistolero dell’Ave Maria (The Forgotten Pistolero) (Ferdinando Baldi, 1969)
  5. Navajo Joe (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
  6. Una Pistola per Ringo (A Pistol For Ringo) (Duccio Tessari, 1965)
  7. Le colt cantarono la morte e fu… tempo di massacro (Massacre Time) (Lucio Fulci, 1966)
  8. Il grande duello (The Grand Duel) (Giancarlo Santi, 1972)
  9. Se incontri Sartana prega per la tua morte (If You Meet Sartana, Pray For Your Death) (Gianfranco Parolini, 1968)
  10. Preparati la bara! (Django, Prepare a Coffin) (Ferdinando Baldi, 1968)
  11. Una nuvola di polvere… un grido di morte… arriva Sartana (Light the Fuse… Sartana is Coming) (Giuliano Carnimeo, 1970)
  12. Lo chiamavano Trinita (They Call Me Trinity) (Enzo Barboni, 1970)
  13. Un fiume di dollari (The Hills Run Red) (Carlo Lizzani, 1966)
  14. Mátalo! (Kill Him!) (Cesare Canevari, 1970)
  15. Bandidos (Massimo Dallamano, 1967)
  16. Gli fumavano le Colt… lo chiamavano Camposanto (Bullet For a Stranger) (Giuliano Carnimeo, 1970)
  17. Continuavano a chiamarlo Trinita (Trinity is Still My Name) (Enzo Barboni, 1971)
  18. Indio Black, sai che ti dico: Sei un gran figlio di… (Adios, Sabata) (Gianfranco Parolini, 1970)
  19. Sono Sartana, il vostro becchino (I am Sartana, Your Angel of Death) (Giuliano Carnimeo, 1969)
  20. C’è Sartana… vendi la pistola e comprati la bara (Sartana’s Here… Trade Your Pistol For a Coffin) (Giuliano Carnimeo, 1970)

That’s a f*cking wicked alternative Top Ten right there, even if 11-20 gets a bit bogged down.

@last.caress

It is indeed a pretty decent alternative top 10 in my opinion. And also a pretty shaky 11-20 but that’s just my opinion too and not one that counts for anything here. I’ve added your picks to the count and will update the list as a special Christmas present to you all (no need to thank me)

If any one else wants to have their say before then please just add your lists here. At the moment we have had a total of 37 members submit a list so the voting is very close for a lot of titles. One vote here or there can make a big difference and would be the matter of in or out for at least a dozen films.

[quote=“Phil H, post:245, topic:1671”]@last.caress

It is indeed a pretty decent alternative top 10 in my opinion. And also a pretty shaky 11-20 but that’s just my opinion too[/quote]

No, you’re quite right; it definitely needs work (surprised myself how quickly everything went very samey towards the end there). But, that’s part of the beauty of still having a good many pics still to see (plus, most of my Spags to RE-see, which I’ve already found can make a HUGE difference). By the time I’m reviewing it next year, it’ll have a lot more grit and stubble about it, hopefully. :slight_smile:

My list is like that too, I really liked only the top 10, I could live with any of the 11-20 movies being replaced with something else. But I’m like that, I usually really like only the chosen few in anything I like. I’m not going for the sheer amount, I’ll rather watch OUATITW or GBU hundred times, than watch 100 of shitty SWs instead.

I think in this Age of Information, people are too obsessed with putting little check marks next to the stuff they’re “into”. We are all going too quickly through the stuff, where we once used to stop and allow it to really soak something it up under our skin over longer period of time.

Re-made, re-modelled list:

1 El Puro
2 Boot Hill
3 The Last Killer
4 Duel in the Eclipse
5 Blindman
6 God Forgives…I Don’t
7 Matalo!
8 A Stranger in Town
9 A Bullet for Sandoval
10 Ace High
11 10 000 Dollars Blood Money
12 The Stranger Returns
13 They Call Me Hallelujah / Heads I Kill You, Tails You Die
14 A Minute to Pray, A Second to Die
15 John the Bastard
16 The Specialists
17 And God Said to Cain
17 Django Shoots First
19 Navajo Joe
20 Johnny Yuma

Some more candidates:

God Does Not Pay on Saturday / Kill the Wicked
A Pistol for Ringo
Today it’s Me…Tomorrow You
Have a Good Funeral, My Friend…Sartana Will Pay
The Dirty Outlaws
Black Jack
Adios Sabata
Go With God, Gringo
If You Meet Sartana Pray for Your Death
The Hatred of God
15 Scaffolds for the Killer
The Return of Sabata
Django the Bastard

@Stanton

Shall I replace these:

"[i]Re-made, re-modelled list:

1 El Puro
2 Boot Hill
3 The Last Killer
4 Duel in the Eclipse
5 Blindman
6 God Forgives…I Don’t
7 Matalo!
8 A Stranger in Town
9 A Bullet for Sandoval
10 Ace High
11 10 000 Dollars Blood Money
12 The Stranger Returns
13 They Call Me Hallelujah / Heads I Kill You, Tails You Die
14 A Minute to Pray, A Second to Die
15 John the Bastard
16 The Specialists
17 And God Said to Cain
17 Django Shoots First
19 Navajo Joe
20 Johnny Yuma[/i]"

for the list of yours from page 2 then?

Of course, that’s the idea.
This is the actual one. Some films were less good than I remembered them, others are more fun now than a few years ago. And of course Return of Ringo isn’t eligible anymore.

Shoot Gringo Shoot and Dead Men Ride are still good, but have lost some feathers, while the Stranger films have improved considerably.

This was as it was nearly 5 years ago:

1 El Puro
2 Blindman
3 Boot Hill
4 Matalo!
5 God Forgives…I Don’t
6 The Specialists
7 Duel in the Eclipse
8 A Minute to Pray, A Second to Die
9 Ace High
12 The Return of Ringo
13 And God Said to Cain
10 Dead Men Ride
11 The Last Killer
14 Trinity is Still My Name
15 John the Bastard
16 10 000 Dollars Blood Money
17 Shoot, Gringo…Shoot!
18 Today it’s Me…Tomorrow You
19 Navajo Joe
20 They Call Me Hallelujah / Heads I Kill You, Tails You Die

Uuh, I also skipped Trinity is Still My Name, but only because it is at first a comedy and only also a western. Considered as a western it would be in. But it is so damn difficult to compare a comedy with a non-comedy.

  1. A MINUTE TO PRAY. A SECOND TO DIE
  2. HOLE IN THE FOREHEAD
  3. $10.000 BLOOD MONEY
  4. VENGEANCE IS MINE
  5. PISTOLEROS
  6. THE MOMENT TO KILL
  7. ONE SILVER DOLLAR
  8. MINNESOTA CLAY
  9. KILL THEM ALL, AND COME BACK ALIVE
  10. JOHNNY HAMLET
  11. ANDA MUCHACHO, SPARA
  12. THEY CALL HIM CEMETERY
  13. I WANT HIM DEAD
  14. DEAD MEN DON’T COUNT
  15. NO ROOM TO DIE
  16. JOHNNY YUMA
  17. FURY OF JOHNNY KID
  18. MAY GOD FORGIVE YOU,…BUT I WON’T
  19. ONE AFTER ANOTHER
  20. BLACK JACK

@Stanton & chameleon

OK, your lists have been updated.

Looking through the lists submitted over the years there are some obvious names missing who have not offered their pearls of wisdom here.
I’m looking at you Ennioo, El Topo, John Welles and Sebastian (we know you’re out there somewhere)

Come on fellas we’d all like to know your picks. Remember, they don’t have to be in any order. Just 20 films not on the official top 20 that you would most recommend.

1. God forgives I don't 2. Bandidos 3. El Puro 4. 10000$ blood money 5. Stranger in Town 6. They call me Hallelujah 7. Taste of Death 8. Sonny & Jed 9. Bullet for Sandoval 10. Black Jack 11. Massacre time 12. Yankee 13. Death Sentence 14. No room to die 15. Stranger returns 16. Ruthless Four 17. Dead Men Ride 18. Fighting Fists of Shanghai Joe 19. The Specialist 20. Adios Gringo

New list with few changes:

  1. God forgives I don’t
  2. Bandidos
  3. El Puro
  4. Taste of violence
  5. 10000$ blood money
  6. They Call me Hallelujah
  7. Stranger in Town
  8. Sonny & Jed
  9. Bullet for Sandoval
  10. Black Jack
  11. Massacre time
  12. Yankee
  13. Death Sentence
  14. Tepepa
  15. Ruthless Four
  16. Dead Men Ride
  17. Fighting Fists of Shanghai Joe
  18. The Specialist
  19. Django the Bastard
  20. Shoot the Living, Pray for the Dead

OK, Bill. Updated.

here’s mine

  1. Ace High
  2. The Silent Stranger
  3. Blindman
  4. Duel In The Eclipse
  5. The Specialist
  6. Boots Hill
  7. The Stranger Returns
  8. El Puro
  9. California
  10. God Forgives I Don’t
  11. Long Live Your Death
  12. Grand Duel
  13. The Moment To Kill
  14. Fistful Of Lead
  15. Boldest Job In The West
  16. And For A Roof …
  17. Arizona Colt
  18. El Desperado
  19. Vengeance
  20. Yankee

Thanks tomas.
Your votes has been added.

Been a while since I looked at that list. Good list. I like most of what’s on it more than the top 20… I noticed Hallelujahs not in the top 50? I guess comedies aren’t appreciated around here much :slight_smile:

That’s true, comedies are mostly treated like poison.